The Insanity of Liberal Cities' Politics

[Husker_Du]

Let's start w/ Denver. but this vid could be talking about Portland or Seattle or San Francisco or basically any major city in Canada

 

[billyhoyle]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

Let's start w/ Denver. but this vid could be talking about Portland or Seattle or San Francisco or basically any major city in Canada

 

1.  That's a great T shirt. 

2. The trend of people wearing mouth guards to make it look like they have good teeth seems to be expanding and is strange because it does not work.

3. Democrats and republicans both suck at governing. 

Here is a list of states by poverty rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rate
They are pretty much all "red" states. 

Check out states by homicide rate.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate

This is not to say that republicans cause poverty or homicide, but rather people do regardless of the political party in place. Blaming democrats because there is crime in parts of Denver is just as dumb as blaming Republicans because Alabama and Louisiana are dangerous states. 

Edited 16 hours ago by billyhoyle

[Husker_Du]

Billy, do you believe the policies she discussed in that video are good, sensible measures?

that's what we're discussing here. 

stop moving goal posts and making excuses for your whack job party like a true ideologue. 

 

[red viking]

This is pathetic. Finding some random lady making claims on social media and taking everything at face value. Meanwhile, everything on CNN must be fake. The hypocrisy of the wingers ar it again. 

[red viking]

I'd like to know the winger logic w homelessness.  

Are they saying that winger policies would almost eliminate it, rather thansimply move it to the next town? 

Where should homeless people congregate? In the farm fields? In suburban lots? 

Should we provide any services to homeless people? 

[pokemonster]

11 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Let's start w/ Denver. but this vid could be talking about Portland or Seattle or San Francisco or basically any major city in Canada

 

For people who hate drag queens so much, it's weird how y'all are trusting a lady who's cosplaying as one. Or perhaps it's clown makeup. She also believed this obviously AI generated photo was real. But go ahead and trust her TikToks lmao. 

[Caveira]

14 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

For people who hate drag queens so much, it's weird how y'all are trusting a lady who's cosplaying as one. Or perhaps it's clown makeup. She also believed this obviously AI generated photo was real. But go ahead and trust her TikToks lmao. 

X is twitter.  Keep up.  

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

This is pathetic. Finding some random lady making claims on social media and taking everything at face value. Meanwhile, everything on CNN must be fake. The hypocrisy of the wingers ar it again. 

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[jross]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I'd like to know the winger logic w homelessness.  

Are they saying that winger policies would almost eliminate it, rather thansimply move it to the next town? 

Where should homeless people congregate? In the farm fields? In suburban lots? 

Should we provide any services to homeless people? 

There is no tolerable answer to homelessness.

• A large portion are mentally ill
• A large portion refuse services of any kind
• Providing free housing is expensive
• Providing free health care is expensive
• Jail time is expensive
• Many commit crimes
• Forcing treatment to break addiction is a violation of autonomy
• Inhuman actions are inhuman
• Giving drugs to addicts is awful

You might be surprised that most republicans believe homelessness is underfunded!

For me... I'd start exploring a minimalist resettlement camp/city with barebones food/medical/shelter, high amount of quality trade education, and some bar/requirement to leave.  Enough substance to survive, not enough to thrive, skill up, and earn your ticket to something better.  

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

There is no tolerable answer to homelessness.

• A large portion are mentally ill
• A large portion refuse services of any kind
• Providing free housing is expensive
• Providing free health care is expensive
• Jail time is expensive
• Many commit crimes
• Forcing treatment to break addiction is a violation of autonomy
• Inhuman actions are inhuman
• Giving drugs to addicts is awful

You might be surprised that most republicans believe homelessness is underfunded!

For me... I'd start exploring a minimalist resettlement camp/city with barebones food/medical/shelter, high amount of quality trade education, and some bar/requirement to leave.  Enough substance to survive, not enough to thrive, skill up, and earn your ticket to something better.  

And put it in the suburbs. State or federally funded, right? 

[Husker_Du]

you guys are getting all caught up in genetic fallacy and governing-at-large and everything else. 

perhaps i didn't make it clear in the original post, and that's my fault, but the point is - these new (dem city) policies are asinine.

they hand out actual, literal drugs.

san francisco gave out alcohol lol.

in many cities in canada they LITERALLY have vending machines for.....COCAINE!

gavin newsome spent an extraordinary amount of money and campaigned hard on solving homelessness and IT WENT UP. same in Portland.

[pokemonster]

28 minutes ago, Caveira said:

X is twitter.  Keep up.  

She reposted her TikTok on x. Look at the water mark. Nice try. 

[Husker_Du]

please speak to these policies and their sanity and effectiveness.

there's an old milton friedman quote that goes, 'Judge a policy not by its intention by by its outcome.'

i get that empathy makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, but you're doing more harm than good.

[Scouts Honor]

28 minutes ago, red viking said:

And put it in the suburbs. State or federally funded, right? 

we used to have institutions...

[jross]

32 minutes ago, red viking said:

And put it in the suburbs. State or federally funded, right? 

Some place like International Falls, Minnesota

[red viking]

20 minutes ago, jross said:

Some place like International Falls, Minnesota

Requires state or federal funding though. I'm ok w that. Don't put all of t on the backs of the cities, like everything else. 

[Caveira]

33 minutes ago, red viking said:

Requires state or federal funding though. I'm ok w that. Don't put all of t on the backs of the cities, like everything else. 

Newsome spent over 24 billion with a B dollars in the last 5 years how much does he need?

 

he started fixing homelessness and campaigning on it and getting re elected by it in 2008.   17 years ago   

As Mayor of SF in 2008 Gavin Newsom launched a 10 year plan to end homelessness there, 15 years later did that plan work or has he failed miserably as a leader?

Edited 4 hours ago by Caveira

[Husker_Du]

49 minutes ago, red viking said:

Requires state or federal funding though. I'm ok w that. Don't put all of t on the backs of the cities, like everything else. 

another example of wanting no accountability. 

city policy cause the crisis and rising rates but they don't want to take responsibility for it.

[red viking]

18 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Newsome spent over 24 billion with a B dollars in the last 5 years how much does he need?

 

he started fixing homelessness and campaigning on it and getting re elected by it in 2008.   17 years ago   

As Mayor of SF in 2008 Gavin Newsom launched a 10 year plan to end homelessness there, 15 years later did that plan work or has he failed miserably as a leader?

Yah it should be done at federl or state level. Doing it at the local level won't work because homeless people will simply congregate to where the services are and overwhelm those particular budgets and the suburbs and rural areas get a free ride like always. 

[Husker_Du]

how effing stupid can you be?

i mean, literally. how stupid can you be? 

"need federal and state money"

"suburbs and rural areas get a free ride"

who do you think is paying state and federal taxes you utter nincompoop?

and if they don't have the problem but are paying to alleviate the problem of someone else's, who is the one getting the 'free ride'?

(edit to say, you just quoted a figure on Gavin Newsome who is Governor of California (which is a state, if you didn't know), not the Mayor of San Francisco (which is a city, if you didn't know).

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, red viking said:

Yah it should be done at federl or state level. Doing it at the local level won't work because homeless people will simply congregate to where the services are and overwhelm those particular budgets and the suburbs and rural areas get a free ride like always. 

Gavin has been spending large amounts of $$ at the state level since 2010.   We’re does it go and what does he have to show for it?

Edited 3 hours ago by Caveira

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Husker_Du said:

how effing stupid can you be?

i mean, literally. how stupid can you be? 

"need federal and state money"

"suburbs and rural areas get a free ride"

who do you think is paying state and federal taxes you utter nincompoop?

and if they don't have the problem but are paying to alleviate the problem of someone else's, who is the one getting the 'free ride'?

Dont be an idiot. Lots of homeless originally live in suburbs and then move to the city because that's the only place that will help them. Suburbs and rural areas should chip in for once. 

[Husker_Du]

in other words, you just realized how galactically stupid your post was and now are doubling down w/ more nonsense. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Dont be an idiot. Lots of homeless originally live in suburbs and then move to the city because that's the only place that will help them. Suburbs and rural areas should chip in for once. 

They’re the ones paying the lion’s share of the federal and state taxes bub.    You want  free bed in their garage too?

[red viking]

25 minutes ago, Caveira said:

They’re the ones paying the lion’s share of the federal and state taxes bub.    You want  free bed in their garage too?

Show me the stats for that claim.