How in the world did the government spending get so far off the tracks? In less than a month Elon will and his 20 year olds will pry 1 trillion dollars out of the politicians cold dead hands. will

[1032004]

42 minutes ago, jross said:

How many contracts have you read with your own eyes?  That is relevant.

I don’t think it is.  I don’t need to have read any contracts to point out that any cited “savings” should not include what’s already been paid.

A more relevant question is how many contracts had most DOGE employees read with their own eyes prior to being hired?

Edited February 24 by 1032004

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think it is.  I don’t need to have read any contracts to point out that any cited “savings” should not include what’s already been paid.

A more relevant question is how many contracts had most DOGE employees read with their own eyes prior to being hired?

We do factually know democrats fully support ageism.  So this comment does not shock me. 
 

 

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

We do factually know democrats fully support ageism.  So this comment does not shock me. 
 

 

Who said anything about age?  I asked if they had read any of the contracts they are now cancelling prior to being hired.  That’s more about the fields they worked in previously than their age.

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Who said anything about age?  I asked if they had read any of the contracts they are now cancelling prior to being hired.  That’s more about the fields they worked in previously than their age.

We all know what you’re implying boss.  

[1032004]

23 minutes ago, Caveira said:

We all know what you’re implying boss.  

Lol well you are free to imagine whatever you want.

So are you saying you think most DOGE employees had previous experience reading government contracts?

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol well you are free to imagine whatever you want.

So are you saying you think most DOGE employees had previous experience reading government contracts?

They are ex McKinsey consultants, lawyers / Supreme Court clerks, finance backgrounds, law, politics, and software whiz kids.  Of course they do.  

[Scouts Honor]

17 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol well you are free to imagine whatever you want.

So are you saying you think most DOGE employees had previous experience reading government contracts?

now do the whiz kids

[jross]

14 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Lol well you are free to imagine whatever you want.

So are you saying you think most DOGE employees had previous experience reading government contracts?

Its very easy to read https://www.fpds.gov/

[jross]

15 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think it is.  I don’t need to have read any contracts to point out that any cited “savings” should not include what’s already been paid.

A more relevant question is how many contracts had most DOGE employees read with their own eyes prior to being hired?

 

The source of the summary matters. 

Anonymous Momentum Chaser claims DOGE declared 55B saved from the contracts, whereas the DOGE website does not make that claim. 

 

Then he calls DOGE lazy, overpaid, and incompetent.  I see no red flags with the guy at all! /s

 

Note that there is a contracts filter and a savings filter.  I've place the values side by side.  Further I opened the link for one with s substantial difference between contract and saved.  It appears the math adds up as 2.1M - 1.1M is 0.9M.

See for yourself.

https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/jsp/viewLinkController.jsp?agencyID=1205&PIID=12314423C0053&modNumber=P00003&idvAgencyID=&idvPIID=&contractType=AWARD

Here is one of his examples.  The contract is 1B but only 200M is listed as savings.

https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/jsp/viewLinkController.jsp?agencyID=2800&PIID=28321322FDS030130&modNumber=P00016&idvAgencyID=&idvPIID=SS001760016&contractType=AWARD

 

The twerp is critical about hypothetical savings because he is a twerp.

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, jross said:

 

The source of the summary matters. 

Anonymous Momentum Chaser claims DOGE declared 55B saved from the contracts, whereas the DOGE website does not make that claim. 

 

Then he calls DOGE lazy, overpaid, and incompetent.  I see no red flags with the guy at all! /s

 

Note that there is a contracts filter and a savings filter.  I've place the values side by side.  Further I opened the link for one with s substantial difference between contract and saved.  It appears the math adds up as 2.1M - 1.1M is 0.9M.

See for yourself.

https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/jsp/viewLinkController.jsp?agencyID=1205&PIID=12314423C0053&modNumber=P00003&idvAgencyID=&idvPIID=&contractType=AWARD

Here is one of his examples.  The contract is 1B but only 200M is listed as savings.

https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/jsp/viewLinkController.jsp?agencyID=2800&PIID=28321322FDS030130&modNumber=P00016&idvAgencyID=&idvPIID=SS001760016&contractType=AWARD

 

The twerp is critical about hypothetical savings because he is a twerp.

DOGE updated the specific examples he called out after being called out on them.

Your screenshot still shows “$55b saved,” despite the significant reductions from the errors that were called out…

Edited February 24 by 1032004

[jross]

14 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

DOGE updated the specific examples he called out after being called out on them.

Your screenshot still shows “$55b saved,” despite the significant reductions from the errors that were called out…

What does the red box underneath say?

[Bigbrog]

If a company budget's $2.5M for a new POS system...it is in the budget...and it is determined that the POS system is no longer needed...did the company save $2.5M?  How about if they had it in their budget to hire 25 new people in the current year; however, they did some process improvement and made things much more efficient and thus didn't need to hire the 25 new people...is that $$$ savings for the company?

[1032004]

20 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

If a company budget's $2.5M for a new POS system...it is in the budget...and it is determined that the POS system is no longer needed...did the company save $2.5M?  How about if they had it in their budget to hire 25 new people in the current year; however, they did some process improvement and made things much more efficient and thus didn't need to hire the 25 new people...is that $$$ savings for the company?

Yes.  But the appropriate comparison in your example is they budgeted $2.5M over 5 years and stopped using it after 4.

[1032004]

24 minutes ago, jross said:

What does the red box underneath say?

About the 20%?  Not sure what you’re getting at.

[Bigbrog]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yes.  But the appropriate comparison in your example is they budgeted $2.5M over 5 years and stopped using it after 4.

Correct...the savings would be $500,000

[1032004]

24 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Correct...the savings would be $500,000

Correct

[jross]

59 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

About the 20%?  Not sure what you’re getting at.

The posted wall of receipts accounts for approximately 20% of the overall $55 billion in savings.  

The wall of receipts IS NOT the $55B.

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, jross said:

The posted wall of receipts accounts for approximately 20% of the overall $55 billion in savings.  

The wall of receipts IS NOT the $55B.

Correct, was anyone saying otherwise?  In fact the anonymous x user specifically calls out their claim about the list only being 20%.  His point is that they never changed the overall savings from $55b despite removing $10b worth of errors.  I suppose they could claim the $55b was an underestimate to begin with, or they found another $10b since then.

 

 

 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

Correct...the savings would be $500,000

Unless the contract was set to renew for another 4/5 years +.   Do a lot of gov contracts get killed (pre doge)?

[Offthemat]

On 2/23/2025 at 11:43 AM, Le duke said:

Huh?

Trump’s approval rate is dropping by the day.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-approval-rating-slips-americans-worry-about-economy-2025-02-19/


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[fishbane]

51 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Correct, was anyone saying otherwise?  In fact the anonymous x user specifically calls out their claim about the list only being 20%.  His point is that they never changed the overall savings from $55b despite removing $10b worth of errors.  I suppose they could claim the $55b was an underestimate to begin with, or they found another $10b since then.

 

 

 

Without receipts they can claim whatever they want.  Elon Musk often does this in his business dealings.  Fake battery swaps, taking Tesla private, solar homes built with non-functional solar shingles, the roadster, full self driving, the Hyperloop...  this list is long. 

[jross]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Unless the contract was set to renew for another 4/5 years +.   Do a lot of gov contracts get killed (pre doge)?

I looked into this and its inconclusive to use comprehensive data.  There are some crumbs... largely the bigger answer is that what's different now is a hyperfocus and larger cancellation effort than previous.

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Unless the contract was set to renew for another 4/5 years +.   Do a lot of gov contracts get killed (pre doge)?

Mayhaps, but when Musk initially said he expected they could cut at least $2 trillion from the Harris-Biden budget that was an annual budget.  If it turns out to be an accumulation of $2 trillion in savings over 5-6 years he would have under delivered by a substantial margin.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

Without receipts they can claim whatever they want.  Elon Musk often does this in his business dealings.  Fake battery swaps, taking Tesla private, solar homes built with non-functional solar shingles, the roadster, full self driving, the Hyperloop...  this list is long. 

Is it that they don’t have receipts or other nuggets….. or is it conveniently being withheld.   I’ve been through audits for a company.  Where unit a stonewalled unit b.   Depending on what dirt a had in this sort of contrived example.   Red tape is a thing.   A real thing.   I bet the gov is good at it too.    

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, jross said:

I looked into this and its inconclusive to use comprehensive data.  There are some crumbs... largely the bigger answer is that what's different now is a hyperfocus and larger cancellation effort than previous.

I don’t disagree.  There is a bit of nuance of what you can fit in a tweet.  Especially when the entrenched team red v team blue people start arguing over it.  
 

It’s still good to cancel the waste.  No matter what the left wingers think. Keep doing it.