Carter stallrocci strikes again

[Hank]

im suprised stallrocci didn't send out a sick tweet after his match

[Spencerlee]

54 minutes ago, Hank said:

im suprised stallrocci didn't send out a sick tweet after his match

Even he probably knows sending out a tweet after beating a true freshman w/o a takedown isn’t the best look.

[PSULou64]

A couple of thoughts: 

The Brands/Iowa know that the best bet to beat Cstar is the first time. Look at his track record against guys over time (last year not withstanding as he was not close to 100%). 

I believe/think were looking for information from this match to help prepare for the Big Ten and NCAA tournament for Arnold, assuming he doesn't get handed another loss down the stretch, if he does I can see him lose the spot to Ferrari.

I also think that Cael and CStar know this about Brands and probably had him hold back a bit. "Don't show everything you got" mentality. 

Maybe I'm giving everyone too much credit and I'm thinking chess and they're playing checkers but I think there was a lot more strategy to the whole thing, on both sides, then people are giving credit for.

[Pinnacle]

17 minutes ago, PSULou64 said:

A couple of thoughts: 

The Brands/Iowa know that the best bet to beat Cstar is the first time. Look at his track record against guys over time (last year not withstanding as he was not close to 100%). 

I believe/think were looking for information from this match to help prepare for the Big Ten and NCAA tournament for Arnold, assuming he doesn't get handed another loss down the stretch, if he does I can see him lose the spot to Ferrari.

I also think that Cael and CStar know this about Brands and probably had him hold back a bit. "Don't show everything you got" mentality. 

Maybe I'm giving everyone too much credit and I'm thinking chess and they're playing checkers but I think there was a lot more strategy to the whole thing, on both sides, then people are giving credit for.

 

The whole match is being way, way over thought by the wrestling fans on this board who are pitching the idea that a 5th year senior could not take down a freshman. Ferrari spent almost the entire match either backing up and making any action take place on the boundary or going to a knee. More than a minute evaporated with Starocci riding him. Ferrari came forward for about 20 seconds and wound up with Starocci on his leg a third time, and the ref stalemated it. If not for the boundary, the clock, or a dumb stalemate e probably gets taken down. But aside from all that, Stariocci did not need to take him down because the score was 3-1.

 

[Winners Circle]

On 2/1/2025 at 7:49 AM, ionel said:

Everything?  He and his bro have a different style of wrestling it works to score and win. He got to the legs how many times?  How many offensive points did Starocci score with his championship style.  Maybe cstar wasn't doing everything.  

Getting to legs to avoid stall calls is different than getting to legs to score.

[Winners Circle]

22 hours ago, swoopdown said:

If Ferrari opens up Ferrari risks losing by major.  If Carter gets frustrated and overly aggressive, makes a mistake and gives up a TD Ferrari stalling and defense could ensure an upset win.  So take the tight match victory and give the moral I-didn't-lose-by-much victory to Focus III.  Smart wrestling - very good wrestlers both.  But one was stalling a lot and it wasn't Carter.

I'll grade Kennedy higher based on style.

Grading Iowa vs PSU

Drake Ayala  (A)  Title contender.  Dominated as expected.

Cullan Schriever (C)  Never threatened but was active.

Kyle Parco (A-)  Lost due to one sequence - ran out of gas in the TD/back point scramble.  Strong title threat.

Jacori Teemer (B+)  Lost to an inspired performance (Injury rust?).  Strong title threat. 

Patrick Kennedy (B-)  Active hand fighting and good defense until he tired later in the bout.

Angelo Ferrari (B--) Gave up ground and stalled for much of his neutral time.  Good TD defense when opponents was in on a leg.  Good stamina at end of match.   Gave up riding time - but showed he can escape.

Michael Caliendo (F) What happened here?  He is better than this.

Joey Cruz (D)  Did not match up well with opponent's speed.  He should be used to speed with Ayala in the room.

Stephan Buchanan (A+)  Never was seriously challenged in any position.  Strong title threat.

Ben Kueter (C)  Actively engaged but was not a match in strength or skill.

I'd put Parco at a MUCH lower grade. C+/B- area. Gassing out is part of wrestling. Especially against SVN, where his gas tank is one of his weapons and has a history of gassing out Parco (I.e. 2023 All-Star Classic). However, I would still consider him a title contender because you don't know how brackets will work out. I think SVN is the only one out of the top 3 (Lovett & Henson) that he can't beat. 

Teemer I'd put around the same C+/B- area. Almost no offense, defense was suspect, couldn't ride. Looked for peterson roll majority of his time on bottom. That being said, I'd still consider him a title threat given the makeup of the weight. I only see Kasak or Shapiro as having the necessary skill set to beat him, even if Teemer wrestles poorly. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 2/1/2025 at 8:40 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nothing artificial about it. 

I get Starocci is a pantomime villian, but if anything, Ferarri was luck to avoid a third stall between the other two stalls. Ferrari earned those stalls. He did everything in his power to get them.

But the idea isn't to earn stall points, it is to score points with wrestling technique.

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

But the idea isn't to earn stall points, it is to score points with wrestling technique.

Stalling is a technique.  There's even a specific wrestling camp for it

[Le duke]

But the idea isn't to earn stall points, it is to score points with wrestling technique.

Not his fault that Angelo Hidlay continually backed out of bounds. Angelo Hidlay could’ve taken his chances, wrestled in the center of the mat, but he didn’t.

I’ll give Willie this: He called Starocci’s match strategy perfectly. He cut off the mat and made Iowa wrestle his match, which only he could win.


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[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Not his fault that Angelo Hidlay continually backed out of bounds. Angelo Hidlay could’ve taken his chances, wrestled in the center of the mat, but he didn’t.

I’ll give Willie this: He called Starocci’s match strategy perfectly. He cut off the mat and made Iowa wrestle his match, which only he could win.


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I was responded to someone who said he earned the stall point and almost another.  It is unfortunate that Carter seems to have difficulty scoring his own points against someone ranked higher than 81st on wrestle stat.  He's capable, he's just a bit scared.

PS Hidlay 1-0 vs Stall Rocky

[Pinnacle]

10 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I was responded to someone who said he earned the stall point and almost another.  It is unfortunate that Carter seems to have difficulty scoring his own points against someone ranked higher than 81st on wrestle stat.  He's capable, he's just a bit scared.

PS Hidlay 1-0 vs Stall Rocky

A man who wins NCAAs on one leg aint scared. Former champs wouldn't even shoot on him, kind of like Ferrari taking faux shots he is not trying to score with. This is a Ferrari we are talking about.

Edited February 3 by Pinnacle

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Winners Circle said:

Getting to legs to avoid stall calls is different than getting to legs to score.

That is the patented way the Ferrari score with the leg, if only 665 ...

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

A man who wins NCAAs on one leg aint scared. Former champs wouldn't even shoot on him, kind of like Ferrari taking faux shots he is not trying to score with. This is a Ferrari we are talking about.

*Former champs who were also on 1 leg and 1 shoulder.  Don't forget that part, and he didn't exactly look like a dynamo against them. 

Spencer Lee attacked more on zero legs.  Carter is an outstanding wrestler but he is boring, and chooses to be boring against good guys .  

[Pinnacle]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

*Former champs who were also on 1 leg and 1 shoulder.  Don't forget that part, and he didn't exactly look like a dynamo against them. 

Spencer Lee attacked more on zero legs.  Carter is an outstanding wrestler but he is boring, and chooses to be boring against good guys .  

I assume you missed Starocci pounding Mehki at the all star. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

I assume you missed Starocci pounding Mehki at the all star. 

A match that didn't count vs a diminished Mekhi.  It was very very impressive.  I can't find the score on wrestlestat for some reason?

Compare the all star score to the matches that count...

Edited February 3 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

But the idea isn't to earn stall points, it is to score points with wrestling technique.

You may have misread, I said Ferrari earned them, not Starocci.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

You may have misread, I said Ferrari earned them, not Starocci.

OK! My apologies then.  I would still like to see Carter attempt to score off his own attacks to make for more exciting matches.  I realize this may have been difficult on Friday, but he has a trend of not exactly attacking as much as a Nolf or Taylor.

[Winners Circle]

6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

OK! My apologies then.  I would still like to see Carter attempt to score off his own attacks to make for more exciting matches.  I realize this may have been difficult on Friday, but he has a trend of not exactly attacking as much as a Nolf or Taylor.

And yet he has more titles than both of them...

[Pinnacle]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

OK! My apologies then.  I would still like to see Carter attempt to score off his own attacks to make for more exciting matches.  I realize this may have been difficult on Friday, but he has a trend of not exactly attacking as much as a Nolf or Taylor.

 

The operative words. 

90 percent of Carter's career has been win by bonus. Where were you to exclaim how exciting those matches were? Helpful Hint: some guys won't wrestle him in the center of the mat because it cuts down the scoring and they think it gives them some small chance to win.

Edited February 3 by Pinnacle

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

A match that didn't count vs a diminished Mekhi.  It was very very impressive.  I can't find the score on wrestlestat for some reason?

Compare the all star score to the matches that count...

Cstall manhandled Nelson brands didn’t be… wait that was 2-1 wasn’t it 

 

maybe when Cstall opens up he gets a dj Washington like result?

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Cstall manhandled Nelson brands didn’t be… wait that was 2-1 wasn’t it 

 

maybe when Cstall opens up he gets a dj Washington like result?

Not the sick burn you were hoping it would be

[Mr. PeanutButter]

24 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Maybe when Cstall opens up he gets a dj Washington like result?

My thoughts on Mr Hollywood are well known but I think that is a bit much. 

My frustration with the match stems from the fact that, if the singlets were swapped, people's tune on the match would be completely different. If "Iron Mindset" Starocci pushes forward without a single offensive shot == that's action, he's taking ground and imposing his will, the other guy taking shots isn't actually trying to score, etc. But when a different wrestler does the same thing, particularly if they are from Iowa, it's stalling. When the PSU singlet wrestles a low scoring match it's because they are "trying to not show too much" (quite possibly one of the most crackerjack things I've ever heard) but if a different wrestler has a close match, it's obviously because they are allergic to offense and, depending on their status, overhyped. The hypocrisy is insane and hilarious. 

Edit: just to clarify, I'm not advocating that Angelo shouldn't have been called for stalling. Im fine with the calls and was fine with Arnold getting called on Sunday. My issue is with the double standard. I guarantee that many PSU fans watched Arnold wrestle on Sunday and unironically concluded that he was stalling the whole time. 

Edited February 3 by Mr. PeanutButter

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

My thoughts on Mr Hollywood are well known but I think that is a bit much. 

My frustration with the match stems from the fact that, if the singlets were swapped, people's tune on the match would be completely different. If "Iron Mindset" Starocci pushes forward without a single offensive shot == that's action, he's taking ground and imposing his will, the other guy taking shots isn't actually trying to score, etc. But when a different wrestler does the same thing, particularly if they are from Iowa, it's stalling. When the PSU singlet wrestles a low scoring match it's because they are "trying to not show too much" (quite possibly one of the most crackerjack things I've ever heard) but if a different wrestler has a close match, it's obviously because they are allergic to offense and, depending on their status, overhyped. The hypocrisy is insane and hilarious. 

If you think Starocci did not try to take a single offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. If you think Ferrari's constant dropping to the knee and positioning himself out of bounds, even after being told to return to center multiple times, wasn't designed to limit Starocci's ability to take an offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

If you think Starocci did not try to take a single offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. If you think Ferrari's constant dropping to the knee and positioning himself out of bounds, even after being told to return to center multiple times, wasn't designed to limit Starocci's ability to take an offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. 

How similar is it to hiding your arm behind your back?   Which should be stalling.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Caveira said:

How similar is it to hiding your arm behind your back?   Which should be stalling.  

Not similar at all.

Again. Not the sick burn you think it is.