When we catch the illegal immigrants that are criminals, and we deport them. What keeps them from coming right back?

[Paul158]

How do we keep them from coming back. Do they implant some type of tracking device that they are not able to remove?  They came here across the border illegally. Either through tunnels, holes in the wall or where there is no wall. To me it seems like a waste of time if we just catch them and then deport them without being able to track their whereabouts. What say you.

[WrestlingRasta]

One word: sovereignty. We can certainly kick them out of our sovereign nation, but we cannot just decide unilaterally once they are back in their homeland we can do what we want with them. 

[Paul158]

5 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

One word: sovereignty. We can certainly kick them out of our sovereign nation, but we cannot just decide unilaterally once they are back in their homeland we can do what we want with them. 

Won't they just sneak back in and continue committing crimes. I know there some consequences if they get caught a second time but that generally doesn't stop most motivated criminals.  It seems like a revolving door to me.

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[WrestlingRasta]

44 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Won't they just sneak back in and continue committing crimes. I know there some consequences if they get caught a second time but that generally doesn't stop most motivated criminals.  It seems like a revolving door to me.

Possibly.  But our desire not to see them return does not overrule sovereignty.  
 

The world is a lot more complex than ‘but I want to’ or ‘but why not’. 

[Offthemat]

As many as 10,000 troops at the border. 
 

https://archive.is/SlN75

[mspart]

This is a good question.   There will always be folks that come through.   They used to be folks looking for work.  Now they are looking for benefits.   or easy criminal activity.   That  has dried up.   So a guy has to ask himself, Do I feel lucky?

mspart

 

[Lipdrag]

11 hours ago, Paul158 said:

How do we keep them from coming back.

The wall.

[Husker_Du]

lmao.

i know what you're doing, Paul.

you wont get them to bite.

they were let in. now they won't be. 

[Tripnsweep]

5 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

The wall.

That isn't going to stop anyone. 

[Paul158]

6 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

lmao.

i know what you're doing, Paul.

you wont get them to bite.

they were let in. now they won't be. 

The bottom line is that criminals don't care about walls. They don't care about laws. They care about sovereignty. So, when they get sent back home a good portion of them will come right back. Finishing the wall is a determent. Having more border patrol officers is a determent. But criminals are pretty resourceful. 

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, Paul158 said:

The bottom line is that criminals don't care about walls. They don't care about laws. They care about sovereignty. So, when they get sent back home a good portion of them will come right back. Finishing the wall is a determent. Having more border patrol officers is a determent. But criminals are pretty resourceful. 

Most people hopping the border to come here are doing one of two things: Getting away from a violent situation that could get them killed, or seeking to get a better paying job. Or some combination of the two. Just coming here doesn't automatically make you a criminal. Being present in this country without documentation is not a criminal act. 

[Paul158]

18 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Most people hopping the border to come here are doing one of two things: Getting away from a violent situation that could get them killed, or seeking to get a better paying job. Or some combination of the two. Just coming here doesn't automatically make you a criminal. Being present in this country without documentation is not a criminal act. 

I am referring to the illegal criminals that are here and our government are going to deport. I have good number of good  friends that are good people ( legal immigrants).   

[Paul158]

3 hours ago, Paul158 said:

The bottom line is that criminals don't care about walls. They don't care about laws. They care about sovereignty. So, when they get sent back home a good portion of them will come right back. Finishing the wall is a determent. Having more border patrol officers is a determent. But criminals are pretty resourceful. 

They don't care about sovereignty. Just correcting my remark.

[mspart]

I think if they come back it will be univited and if ICE under Trump finds them they will probably go to the pokie. 

mspart

[Caveira]

48 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Most people hopping the border to come here are doing one of two things: Getting away from a violent situation that could get them killed, or seeking to get a better paying job. Or some combination of the two. Just coming here doesn't automatically make you a criminal. Being present in this country without documentation is not a criminal act. 

Being here illegally.  Is in fact illegal.   It’s almost in the title of it.  

[Offthemat]

51 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Most people hopping the border to come here are doing one of two things: Getting away from a violent situation that could get them killed, or seeking to get a better paying job. Or some combination of the two. Just coming here doesn't automatically make you a criminal. Being present in this country without documentation is not a criminal act. 

Neither of those are reasons for asylum, either.  Making a false claim for asylum is another crime. 

[Le duke]

Neither of those are reasons for asylum, either.  Making a false claim for asylum is another crime. 

A credible fear of death or torture if returned to country of origin is one of the main criteria for asylum hearings, actually.


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[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

A credible fear of death or torture if returned to country of origin is one of the main criteria for asylum hearings, actually.


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So all 8-10 million peeps that came here illegally during Biden / Harris regime are all credible asylum seekers?   

[Le duke]

So all 8-10 million peeps that came here illegally during Biden / Harris regime are all credible asylum seekers?   

Did I say that?


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[Offthemat]

7 minutes ago, Le duke said:

A credible fear of death or torture if returned to country of origin is one of the main criteria for asylum hearings, actually.


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Only if it is a directed personal threat by the government, not if it’s just a dangerous place to live. 

[mspart]

You commit a crime entering the country illegally.  

You commit a crime seeking asylum under false pretenses. 

Hopping the border does not make you a criminal?   Ask most countries in the world and see what you get in response.  Every heard of the visa program.   Most countries eventually require that of foreigners if they plan to stay.   Failure to do so is an offense against the criminal code of that country. 

This really isn't that hard to understand.

mspart

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Did I say that?


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You implied it.  

[Le duke]

Only if it is a directed personal threat by the government, not if it’s just a dangerous place to live. 

The language doesn’t make any reference to “government” as the source of their fear being a criteria.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/12/27/2024-30500/clarification-regarding-bars-to-eligibility-during-credible-fear-and-reasonable-fear-review


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[Le duke]

You implied it.  

No, I corrected his statement.

I did not imply anything about the numbers of asylum seekers. I didn’t use any words like “all”, “majority” or even “some”. I made no statements at all about any quantity or proportion of illegal immigrants in the post you quoted.

You are the only person who used the word “all” when quoting me; I certainly did not.


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[Bigbrog]

5 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

The language doesn’t make any reference to “government” as the source of their fear being a criteria.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/12/27/2024-30500/clarification-regarding-bars-to-eligibility-during-credible-fear-and-reasonable-fear-review


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So do you think it is ok that any person wanting to come to our country can claim asylum and be let in with no burden of proof needed??