mspart Posted January 23 Posted January 23 In general I support these pardons. The exception is the pardons for those that were actually violent to the Capitol Police and those that destroyed property. The rest that were non violent, I am not against those pardons. Just saying. mspart 1
WrestlingRasta Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Agree with you here. There were some pretty sickening pardons in about a 48-72 hour span.
VakAttack Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I agree. I do not think that most non-violent offenders need long incarceration sentences as a general principle. I think we incarcerated too many people in general, and that applies here as well.
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 23 Posted January 23 The most concerning thing I heard was the original plan was to be thoughtful about who got a pardon (non-violent offenses) and who did not (violent offenses like the guy using a cattle prod on a cop or pepper spray), but it was decided that would be too much work. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Caveira Posted January 23 Posted January 23 How many of the rioters during the run up to the 2020 election were prosecuted? The you know “mostly peaceful” ones who burned down buildings, statues, and assaulted police etc???? This is where the left loses some of its credibility. How many on the left are against the criminals Biden pardoned? I haven’t heard any of y’all come out against any of that. 1
VakAttack Posted January 23 Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, Caveira said: How many of the rioters during the run up to the 2020 election were prosecuted? The you know “mostly peaceful” ones who burned down buildings, statues, and assaulted police etc???? This is where the left loses some of its credibility. How many on the left are against the criminals Biden pardoned? I haven’t heard any of y’all come out against any of that. Many, many people were prosecuted from the BLM riots, if that's what you're referencing. As to presidential pardons, I don't think they should even exist, so they all suck as far as I'm concerned, but can serve a necessary purpose for wrongful convictions, because the judicial system moves so slowly on those.
mspart Posted January 23 Author Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Many, many people were prosecuted from the BLM riots, if that's what you're referencing. https://komonews.com/news/local/city-attorney-charges-brought-in-8-out-of-261-protest-related-arrests-in-seattle City Attorney: charges brought in 8 out of 261 protest related arrests in Seattle That is 3% of those arrested in Seattle. The next question is why were only 261 arrested? I don't think that constitutes many many. Maybe other jurisdictions persecuted more. But I think this was fairly typical around the country. mspart 1
VakAttack Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, mspart said: https://komonews.com/news/local/city-attorney-charges-brought-in-8-out-of-261-protest-related-arrests-in-seattle City Attorney: charges brought in 8 out of 261 protest related arrests in Seattle That is 3% of those arrested in Seattle. The next question is why were only 261 arrested? I don't think that constitutes many many. Maybe other jurisdictions persecuted more. But I think this was fairly typical around the country. mspart From your own article for that city prosecutor: Quote Of the 261 cases referred to City Attorney, 110 are still under review. So of course your numbers are misleading. Then you have the federal cases, which seemed to be the primary issue since DOJ was in charge of the J6 protests: https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8#:~:text=a different story.-,An Associated Press review of court documents in more than,crimes and sent to prison. Quote The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 That doesn't sound like many people given the participation rate of the BLM riots here in Seattle. For goodness sake, they took over a neighborhood and called it Chaz and then Chop autonamous regions that the mayor called the summer of love. They were allowed to police themselves and that didn't turn out so well when people started getting killed. So 110 under consideration is ok with you when 260 were arrested? And you are ok with only 260 arrested? mspart
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 Just now, mspart said: That doesn't sound like many people given the participation rate of the BLM riots here in Seattle. For goodness sake, they took over a neighborhood and called it Chaz and then Chop autonamous regions that the mayor called the summer of love. They were allowed to police themselves and that didn't turn out so well when people started getting killed. So 110 under consideration is ok with you when 260 were arrested? And you are ok with only 260 arrested? And then there's Portland. mspart
Caveira Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) Here is another rioter type article. 1,500 RIOTERS ARRESTED IN CHICAGO; MOST NOT FACING SERIOUS CHARGES https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-news-riots-protests-looting/6228227/ did the blues treat the j6 people equally or did they over charge and over convict and over sentence? Edited January 24 by Caveira
WrestlingRasta Posted January 24 Posted January 24 29 minutes ago, mspart said: That doesn't sound like many people given the participation rate of the BLM riots here in Seattle. For goodness sake, they took over a neighborhood and called it Chaz and then Chop autonamous regions that the mayor called the summer of love. They were allowed to police themselves and that didn't turn out so well when people started getting killed. So 110 under consideration is ok with you when 260 were arrested? And you are ok with only 260 arrested? mspart Quote What is the number that is suspected to have broken the law?
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: What is the number that is suspected to have broken the law? Here in Seattle, It would be high hundreds coming on to thousands. Police were laser shot in the eyes, ice bottles thrown that them, destruction of property not just from arson, police precinct burned down, at another precinct they tried to lock the doors and burn the police alive inside their own building. Protesters wandered onto I-5 with impunity. And then there's Portland OR. mspart 1
Caveira Posted January 24 Posted January 24 6 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: What is the number that is suspected to have broken the law? I saw the vids in dozens of cities. Its a lot. 2 minutes ago, mspart said: Here in Seattle, It would be high hundreds coming on to thousands. Police were laser shot in the eyes, ice bottles thrown that them, destruction of property not just from arson, police precinct burned down, at another precinct they tried to lock the doors and burn the police alive inside their own building. Protesters wandered onto I-5 with impunity. And then there's Portland OR. mspart And Chicago Baltimore St. Louis New York and more etc. remember this? The super lawful “autonomous zone” https://nypost.com/2020/12/14/portlands-autonomous-zone-dismantled-after-mayor-apology/ 2
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 Yes, we had Chaz/Chop here on Capitol Hill in Seattle. They would not allow city resourced in and the city obeyed. If someone got shot or otherwise needed to get to the hospital, the had to get out of the zone so they could be picked up. It was a wonderful summer of love as the Seattle mayor described it. And that went on for weeks until it imploded. mspart
red viking Posted January 24 Posted January 24 On 1/23/2025 at 10:53 AM, mspart said: In general I support these pardons. The exception is the pardons for those that were actually violent to the Capitol Police and those that destroyed property. The rest that were non violent, I am not against those pardons. Just saying. mspart So it's fine to unlawfully trespass within our nation's most sacred building and cause everybody there to have to vacate? 1
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 (edited) What is the prison term for unlawfully trespassing? I'll help you out, it is one year. Most of these had more than that as the DOJ wanted to make examples of everyone. But by your own admission, they did not do anything worth more than a year, yet they had sentences that went beyond that. And can you call it trespassing when the doors are open, police are escorting and holding doors open for them? The videos are conclusive of what of the doors being opened and held open and police escorting. They even escorted the shaman around so what to make of that. That's why there was such resistance to letting those videos out. The shaman is clearly a threat has he walks the halls with police in tow. The fact of the matter is the majority of those convicted or who plead guilty were over sentenced. mspart Edited January 24 by mspart 1 1 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 24 Posted January 24 2 hours ago, mspart said: What is the prison term for unlawfully trespassing? I'll help you out, it is one year. Most of these had more than that as the DOJ wanted to make examples of everyone. But by your own admission, they did not do anything worth more than a year, yet they had sentences that went beyond that. And can you call it trespassing when the doors are open, police are escorting and holding doors open for them? The videos are conclusive of what of the doors being opened and held open and police escorting. They even escorted the shaman around so what to make of that. That's why there was such resistance to letting those videos out. The shaman is clearly a threat has he walks the halls with police in tow. The fact of the matter is the majority of those convicted or who plead guilty were over sentenced. mspart That doesn't look like holding open a door. Or a window. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
mspart Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 Yes, as I said earlier, those that destroyed property or assaulted cops or others should not be pardoned. But the majority of folks did not participate in that. mspart
Offthemat Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: That doesn't look like holding open a door. Or a window. Those are feds. 2
Caveira Posted January 24 Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Offthemat said: Those are feds. Wrong. Pardoned feds?
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 24 Posted January 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Offthemat said: Those are feds. A lie for all occasions. Edited January 24 by Wrestleknownothing Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
CropDuster507 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Has Ray Epps been pardoned? Dude straight up antagonized a lot of the capitol riot, disappeared from FBI wanted list. Got a couple of articles on him, and then he disappeared. "We need to go IN to the capitol!"
Offthemat Posted January 25 Posted January 25 17 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: A lie for all occasions. Must be bliss.
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