Something I heard in the OU/WVU dual

[666]

I watched the OU/WVU dual last weekend. Man, is OU rotten. I'll be stunned if they have anybody finish as high as R12. Anyway I don't know who the commentators were but one was apparently a former OU coach. He sounded like he had a hard time keeping his dentures in his mouth while commenting. Anyway he said "I'll get a lot of hate mail for saying this", and proceeded to say there are HS kids wrestling today who'd have beaten Gable during Gable's prime. He's right, of course. The other commentor mentioned that with the tools HS kids have today that Gable would've been a lot better than he actually was, which also is probably right.  The OU coach mentioned another old time wrestler that the HS kids today would've beaten but I can't remember who the other wrestler he mentioned was. 

Who were the commentators in that match, and do you agree with what the former OU coach said? I thought the chatter was really dumb during the dual, but at least it wasn't a couple students unfamiliar with wrestling who called the dual. 

Edited 19 hours ago by 666

[ionel]

27 minutes ago, 666 said:

 

Who were the commentators in that match, and do you agree with what the former OU coach said? 

Probably Jack Spates former coach, he usually does their announcing.

If the guys of old Gable, Hodge, Uetake etc had the resources of today they would beat athletes of today.  Those guys were special.  

[1032004]

Well we already have high schoolers beating current day NCAA champions, so not sure this is even a knock on “the old days”

[boconnell]

25 minutes ago, ionel said:

Probably Jack Spates former coach, he usually does their announcing.

If the guys of old Gable, Hodge, Uetake etc had the resources of today they would beat athletes of today.  Those guys were special.  

Spates is a very good announcer.  He's probably not wrong here either.  The level of young guys today is nuts.  You're not wrong about dropping those guys in this environment and how good they'd be, but the level of wrestling is not comparable over the 50 year gap.

[666]

31 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Well we already have high schoolers beating current day NCAA champions, so not sure this is even a knock on “the old days”

True, but they are beating them in FS. not folk matches, right?

[jchapman]

Do we feel comfortable saying that high school kids today would beat a prime Randy Lewis?

[666]

5 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Do we feel comfortable saying that high school kids today would beat a prime Randy Lewis?

I wouldn't, but I've always held Randy in high regard. 

[ionel]

12 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Do we feel comfortable saying that high school kids today would beat a prime Randy Lewis?

Maybe the wrong comparison.  Didn't a in his prime Lewis lose to a very young punk John Smith? 

[Hammerlock3]

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe the wrong comparison.  Didn't a in his prime Lewis lose to a very young punk John Smith? 

It was more like a sort of old lewis lost to close to his prime smith.

[ionel]

Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

It was more like a sort of old lewis lost to close to his prime smith.

Smith still got much much better, wasn't that like So year of college. 

[Hammerlock3]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Smith still got much much better, wasn't that like So year of college. 

no it was after his senior year at the olympic team trials, he was already a world champ. 

that said despite those matches being great Smith was obviously the better wrestler, Lewis' guts remain legendary. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Hammerlock3

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

Smith still got much much better, wasn't that like So year of college. 

Or maybe I'm thinking of first time he won US trials and that wasn't against Lewis? 

[ionel]

Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

no it was after his senior year at the olympic team trials, he was already a world champ. 

that said despite those matches being great Smith was obviously the better wrestlers, Lewis' guts remain legendary. 

Yeah I just caught myself and replied.  Thanks. 

[Hammerlock3]

While we are on the subject here is a match everyone has a strong reaction to one way or another...

 

[Le duke]

1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

While we are on the subject here is a match everyone has a strong reaction to one way or another...

 

What the hell did I just watch. I need to go rinse my eyes out after that. Was Brands concussed or something? That was gross. How dare you, sir.

This match is another one. Holy tren sandwiches, first and foremost. Then, imagine these guys wrestling a "modern" 184 like Aaron Brooks. 

 

[Scouts Honor]

a prime randy lewis couldn't beat an old gable...

if i remember his story right

[Hammerlock3]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

What the hell did I just watch. I need to go rinse my eyes out after that. Was Brands concussed or something? That was gross. How dare you, sir.

This match is another one. Holy tren sandwiches, first and foremost. Then, imagine these guys wrestling a "modern" 184 like Aaron Brooks. 

 

brands was 17 so he likely was at his peak. 

[Hammerlock3]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

a prime randy lewis couldn't beat an old gable...

if i remember his story right

might have to grain of salt that...i know plenty of guys who loved their coaches and would fib about how it was impossible to beat them.

[BruceyB]

10 minutes ago, Le duke said:

What the hell did I just watch. I need to go rinse my eyes out after that. Was Brands concussed or something? That was gross. How dare you, sir.

This match is another one. Holy tren sandwiches, first and foremost. Then, imagine these guys wrestling a "modern" 184 like Aaron Brooks. 

 

I want to know what on earth that move was that Schultz tried multiple times in this match from top. He puts a leg in, locks his hands around the far shoulder, sits back and pulls Banach right on top of him with no semblance of control. He got reversed the first time (nearly to his back), nearly reversed the second time, and gave up an escape the third time. They called it a tilt, but it was ridiculous.

[Hammerlock3]

8 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I want to know what on earth that move was that Schultz tried multiple times in this match from top. He puts a leg in, locks his hands around the far shoulder, sits back and pulls Banach right on top of him with no semblance of control. He got reversed the first time (nearly to his back), nearly reversed the second time, and gave up an escape the third time. They called it a tilt, but it was ridiculous.

my guess would be the derek moore "deemo". Thing he teched lang with, I've never seen anyone else hit it, but i know he learned it from Lennie Zalesky. sorry looked for a clip briefly and couldn't find one.

Edited 15 hours ago by Hammerlock3

[Hammerlock3]

12 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I want to know what on earth that move was that Schultz tried multiple times in this match from top. He puts a leg in, locks his hands around the far shoulder, sits back and pulls Banach right on top of him with no semblance of control. He got reversed the first time (nearly to his back), nearly reversed the second time, and gave up an escape the third time. They called it a tilt, but it was ridiculous.

here it is, skip forward to the 2nd period of the final, Moore does the second part of the series, where they hip down on the far side and your roll thru, the primary version when they don't know it is pushing off both feet and taking the guy towards the leg side.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Hammerlock3

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

my guess would be the derek moore "deemo". Thing he teched lang with, I've never seen anyone else hit it, but i know he learned it from Lennie Zalesky. sorry looked for a clip briefly and couldn't find one.

Appreciate the effort. Yeah, in this match it was wild because he literally just put himself in danger all three times without coming close to getting a swipe. It legitimately looked like something a junior high kids makes up and "thinks" it will work, while their coach pulls their hair out.

[BruceyB]

7 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

here it is, skip forward to the 2nd period of the final, Moore does the second part of the series, where they hip down on the far side and your roll thru, the primary version when they don't know it is pushing off both feet and taking the guy towards the leg side.

 

Yeah, this one actually makes some sense. I can't picture how you could maintain control when your pulling them towards the leg in, but obviously he was trying something he had enough confidence in that he tried it three times.

[Hammerlock3]

12 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Yeah, this one actually makes some sense. I can't picture how you could maintain control when your pulling them towards the leg in, but obviously he was trying something he had enough confidence in that he tried it three times.

if you're on the opponents left side, the right hand grabs the  shoe laces, and the left hooks over the top of the shoulder, and you drive forward with both feet (the leg thats in is even driving until it goes back in at the last second) almost trying to face your chest towards the ceiling, once it feel like he's gonna belly out you shift to his left, turning him as the leg goes back in so he doesn't turn in on top of you. 

it ends up the same way

Edited 14 hours ago by Hammerlock3

[Spencerlee]

42 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

might have to grain of salt that...i know plenty of guys who loved their coaches and would fib about how it was impossible to beat them.

PSU/Cael for example.