Christian Carroll?

[Elevator]

On 1/9/2025 at 3:35 PM, Gene Mills Fan said:

probably figured he could go 197 a year then take over. but reality might be his body type won't allow him to go 197 effectively

Same problem here

[H82Lose]

He says he does not want to go HWT, he wants to wrestle at 197. I don't think he has ever had to cut and wrestle and it took a toll on him. It is an odd situation, he is not traveling with Iowa St this week. He has been spotted in AMES, but who the heck knows. The kid has historically been a gypsy, so he may be on the move somewhere else, after this year. 

[1032004]

51 minutes ago, H82Lose said:

He says he does not want to go HWT, he wants to wrestle at 197. 

Where did he say this?

[TylerDurden]

On 1/9/2025 at 12:36 PM, 666 said:

Wasn't he a top recruit out of HS? What happened? 

He's a tweener

 

Edit: Didn't see the previous reply saying the same thing...but it's still true. 

Edited Saturday at 04:25 AM by TylerDurden

[Hammerlock3]

28 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

He's a tweener

 

Edit: Didn't see the previous reply saying the same thing...but it's still true. 

Doesn't he have to do HWY to find out? 

Snyder said he'd never go heavyweight also.

[H82Lose]

14 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Where did he say this?

He "said it" out of his mouth. 

[1032004]

22 minutes ago, H82Lose said:

He "said it" out of his mouth. 

Can you share the link to the interview or post?

[TylerDurden]

10 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Doesn't he have to do HWY to find out? 

Snyder said he'd never go heavyweight also.

Perhaps and I think that might be a better weight class for him, but he'd basically be Feldman, but a tad shorter. Some some mid-to-low AA ceiling. 

He *could* adapt his body to either weight given time, but being as how his best weight is probably 97KG the cut to 197lbs isn't likely to be kind to him for at least this year. I think that's reflected in his results to date. 

Also, I think we sometimes forget how good DI wrestlers are and expect all of the top recruits to come in a dominate. 

[alex1fly]

16 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Where did he say this?

He’s said it in several post match interviews. You could probably search Flo 

[alex1fly]

16 hours ago, H82Lose said:

He says he does not want to go HWT, he wants to wrestle at 197. I don't think he has ever had to cut and wrestle and it took a toll on him. It is an odd situation, he is not traveling with Iowa St this week. He has been spotted in AMES, but who the heck knows. The kid has historically been a gypsy, so he may be on the move somewhere else, after this year. 

That’s part of what’s weird. 
Bailed on OSU bc Coleman didn’t get the job yet followed Perry to ISU

Lost one match at ISU and decided not to wrestle or travel with the team for 3+ weeks

Radio silence from ISU staff

Just weird. Yeah maybe he’s had enough of ISU.

[1032004]

24 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

Perhaps and I think that might be a better weight class for him, but he'd basically be Feldman, but a tad shorter. Some some mid-to-low AA ceiling. 

He *could* adapt his body to either weight given time, but being as how his best weight is probably 97KG the cut to 197lbs isn't likely to be kind to him for at least this year. I think that's reflected in his results to date. 

Also, I think we sometimes forget how good DI wrestlers are and expect all of the top recruits to come in a dominate. 

Why is Feldman mid to low AA ceiling?  If healthy he might be the favorite next year.  Lots of guys graduate.

[Idaho]

10 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

Bailed on OSU bc Coleman didn’t get the job yet followed Perry to ISU

 

Although this may be true, Surber beat him this season. He may not  be starting at OSUe. 

Last year I argued that he was going to struggle keeping his weight at 197 .... but many argued that because he cut down to 92kg (202.8) that he would be fine. There is not doubt he has not looked good this season and that he is a tweener. We have seen guys be more successful their second year down a weight, so time will tell. 

[TylerDurden]

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Why is Feldman mid to low AA ceiling?  If healthy he might be the favorite next year.  Lots of guys graduate.

Because that's what it is this year and it's where I would likely have projected Carroll's ceiling to be if he went to HWT as opposed to 197. Next year obviously could be different, of course. 

Feldman and Carroll were basically dead even as HS recruits. The difference is Feldman stayed in one spot, committed to HWT and has slowly grown into the weight class after his injury. Carroll went another direction. Call it a Tale of Two Tweeners. 

Carroll's body needs time to adapt to the lower weight and it may never adapt so that he's consistently able to perform at a high level. If it doesn't, we might see him at HWT anyway. Time will tell. 

[1032004]

10 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

Because that's what it is this year and it's where I would likely have projected Carroll's ceiling to be if he went to HWT as opposed to 197. Next year obviously could be different, of course. 

Feldman and Carroll were basically dead even as HS recruits. The difference is Feldman stayed in one spot, committed to HWT and has slowly grown into the weight class after his injury. Carroll went another direction. Call it a Tale of Two Tweeners. 

Carroll's body needs time to adapt to the lower weight and it may never adapt so that he's consistently able to perform at a high level. If it doesn't, we might see him at HWT anyway. Time will tell. 

Ok so you’re just talking about this year?

[TylerDurden]

24 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Ok so you’re just talking about this year?

I feel like this is a text message exchange with my elderly mother. 

[1032004]

29 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

I feel like this is a text message exchange with my elderly mother. 

I didn’t get the impression from the post below that you were only referring to his “ceiling” this year, but may have misunderstood.  Although I’m not totally sure what “some some mid-to-low AA ceiling” means, that’s probably a typo my elderly mother would make, I was figuring you meant “same.”

7 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

Perhaps and I think that might be a better weight class for him, but he'd basically be Feldman, but a tad shorter. Some some mid-to-low AA ceiling. 

He *could* adapt his body to either weight given time, but being as how his best weight is probably 97KG the cut to 197lbs isn't likely to be kind to him for at least this year. I think that's reflected in his results to date. 

Also, I think we sometimes forget how good DI wrestlers are and expect all of the top recruits to come in a dominate. 

 

[BruceyB]

30 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

I feel like this is a text message exchange with my elderly mother. 

Sorry Mr. Durden, you said "ceiling" not his ceiling for this year.

If you're talking about this year alone, sure there are 3 absolute monsters in Gable, Kerk, and Wyatt that would limit many, many, of the 285 NCAA champs from the past to mid-AA ceilings. This is by far the most talented top 3 at heavyweight that I can recall over the last 15 or so years.

[Elevator]

On 1/11/2025 at 5:56 PM, BruceyB said:

Sorry Mr. Durden, you said "ceiling" not his ceiling for this year.

If you're talking about this year alone, sure there are 3 absolute monsters in Gable, Kerk, and Wyatt that would limit many, many, of the 285 NCAA champs from the past to mid-AA ceilings. This is by far the most talented top 3 at heavyweight that I can recall over the last 15 or so years.

Its extraordinary!