Government Incompetence

[Le duke]

The reservoirs are Empty as I understand it.  You can refute that.  Who knows.  

I already did. See my link above.


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[Le duke]

Where I come from, every town has a water tower.

LOL.


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[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I already did. See my link above.


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Rumor has it.  The Ds in Cali are going to offer you a job to both fix this and prevent in the future.   

[headshuck]

Yeah that’s funny. Every municipality has their own fire department staffed with volunteers. Risks are averted with hard labor. Keep laughing.

[headshuck]

[Le duke]

Yeah that’s funny. Every municipality has their own fire department staffed with volunteers. Risks are averted with hard labor. Keep laughing.

What state do you live in?


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[Le duke]

Rumor has it.  The Ds in Cali are going to offer you a job to both fix this and prevent in the future.   

Maybe all of the red states with the exact same problems will hire me, too?


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[headshuck]

A constant state of disbelief and disappointment.

[Caveira]

Just now, Le duke said:

Maybe all of the red states with the exact same problems will hire me, too?


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After the d states do.  I’m sure.    Given you have the solution. 

[Caveira]

For the record.  The mayor is in Ghana right?    

[Le duke]

After the d states do.  I’m sure.    Given you have the solution. 

I actually didn’t offer a solution.

Unfortunately, unless you can change the ecology of a land that is designed to burn (I.e., every state west of Texas), you’re going to have big fires.


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[ionel]

8 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I actually didn’t offer a solution.

Unfortunately, unless you can change the ecology of a land that is designed to burn (I.e., every state west of Texas), you’re going to have big fires.


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You don't have to be west of Texas.   Don't get me wrong, this is really bad and a lot of property damage.  The media makes it sound like the worse thing ever.  We've had much bigger fires with much larger loss of life and property.  But many of these occur in places that no one cares about.  High wind and low humidity happens, its not a new thing. 

https://hpj.com/2024/02/28/wildfires-burn-in-texas-oklahoma-kansas-and-nebraska-feb-26-27/

https://wildfiretoday.com/2017/03/07/fires-in-kansas-oklahoma-and-texas-burn-hundreds-of-thousands-of-acres/

 

[ionel]

46 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Where I come from, every town has a water tower.

Well sure, if you live in the flatter lands how would you get water to all the town folk without a water tower.  Every town's gotta have one correct?

Small town water towers also served another function.  Back in the day (before GPS etc) to get a pilots license you had to plan and fly a cross country trip via compass and visual reference land and takeoff 3 different airports.  A good way to confirm on direct line route was reference to and distance from towns on sectional chart and identified by where does the railroad track enter/exit and which side of the town is the water tower located on.  Now if you really felt lost you could drop down to 500' and read the name on the water tower. 

[Offthemat]

 

[ionel]

BTW:  former running and still current cycle friend of mine retired and moved to the area.  Follow each other on Strava, checked his mountain bike and hike routes in burn area.  He is fine, knows people who lost their houses.  The place they shop and go to eat out destroyed.  

[Tripnsweep]

I like how many people here are all of a sudden experts on land management and blame the political party they don't like for anything that goes wrong. 

We have had many destructive fires here, including one that sadly killed 19 hotshots a few years ago. A close friend of mine was a hotshot/smoke jumper for 15+ years and he's told me that the only real way to avoid this 100% is to get rid of anything flammable in the wilderness. Since that isn't feasible, most of what they do is eliminating corridors for fires to get out of control. They'll back burn, dig breaks, etc. Those people are insane too. I thought I was in good shape wrestling, my friend put me to shame every time we hit the trails. I was happy with what I thought was a fast time, he practically lapped me while carrying a 50 lb pack. So anyone who does the insane stuff they do is pretty badass in my opinion. I once looked into it as a summer gig and I probably could have met the PT benchmark, but they want their people to exceed it always. And for what they get paid? I can see why it attracts lunatics like my friend, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. 

[Husker_Du]

14 hours ago, mspart said:

This has what to do with fighting the CA fires going on right now?   Absolutely nothing.   But it has been a go to for RV for years.   It holds no water just like the new CA reservoirs do not hold water because they have not been built although allocated.   I think you just like to hear yourself type.

mspart

 

this precisely why Red Viking is a waste of space on this board.

every single post is 'yeah, but the other side'. 

absolutely nothing on topic, nothing specific and nothing of importance. 

[Husker_Du]

@Le duke they had no water!

the fire hydrants had no water. idk what you're missing about this. it was a lack of planning and infrastructure. they literally passed a bill allocating billions to address it and then never acted on it.

beyond that, it gets even worse with the response.  there's literally an ocean of water. no pump trucks to protect the beachfront homes?

incompetence all around. 

[WrestlingRasta]

9 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I like how many people here are all of a sudden experts on

Are you new here?  Pick a topic…

[Husker_Du]

 

[Le duke]

2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

@Le duke they had no water!

the fire hydrants had no water. idk what you're missing about this. it was a lack of planning and infrastructure. they literally passed a bill allocating billions to address it and then never acted on it.

beyond that, it gets even worse with the response.  there's literally an ocean of water. no pump trucks to protect the beachfront homes?

incompetence all around. 

 

If I open all of the fire hydrants in your neighborhood, some of them are going to have no water; pressure is not unlimited. Is this a new concept to you? Also, a firehose aimed at a large scale wildfire is like pissing on a bonfire. It's not going to stop anything. 

As a person new to the mountain west, you have a lot of learning to do about fires, root causes and human responses. 

[Tripnsweep]

38 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

 

Tell us you don't understand how wildland firefighting works without telling us you don't understand how wildland firefighting works. 

[Husker_Du]

uh, you're right. i don't understand it.

that wasn't the point of the post, which was merely to pass along that funding was recently cut. 

[mspart]

42 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Tell us you don't understand how wildland firefighting works without telling us you don't understand how wildland firefighting works. 

Tell us you understand how wildland firefighting works without telling us you understand how wildland firefighting works. 

Since you are an expert in pointing to a lack of experts, what, in your expert opinion, went wrong here?

mspart

[Tripnsweep]

11 minutes ago, mspart said:

Tell us you understand how wildland firefighting works without telling us you understand how wildland firefighting works. 

Since you are an expert in pointing to a lack of experts, what, in your expert opinion, went wrong here?

mspart

Lack of preparedness for something like this. Generally with disasters, you plan for the worst, and I don't think anyone anticipated this as being something that could happen. Or they did but just considered it unlikely. Because they are dealing with 3 separate major fires in and around the LA basin right now, there aren't enough crews to quickly tackle it, I know that crews from other parts of the state and other states were mobilized, again because nobody anticipated something like this. It's like saying you should have police stationed inside a bank to prevent robberies. The problem is you can't put police everywhere, and even if you got lucky and the police were present when a robbery happened, they might not be able to stop it anyway. 

Wildland firefighting is a very difficult job, most of them it's a seasonal gig. My friend who was a hotshot was also a fisherman in Alaska when he wasn't doing this. The pay is shockingly low, and a solid 40% of them in California are convicts in prison who have extensive training and do this to shorten their time. Regular municipal firefighters are trained differently, they have different tactics and even though many of them are in great shape, it's like comparing a regular enlisted soldier to a Navy SEAL. Hotshots regularly work 18 hours days with little rest, no breaks, and a decent chance of being killed. Part of why they're attracted to it because of the thrill. 

So blaming the lack of preparedness of local firefighters and apparatus to fight local fires is stupid. Because you're talking about two different things. This is the absolute worst case scenario that somebody could have come up with, and I'm sure somewhere somebody floated the idea, but nobody seriously prepared for it because of it being unlikely. Except here we are. 

Where you can lay blame locally is with fuel not being cleared away or poor choices of construction materials, planning, layouts, etc. But municipal planning is a whole different thing, since nobody expected this to happen.