WrestlingRasta Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Thankfully. Everyone should be in agreement that what happened last time, the totality of what happened the last time, was simply horrible. There were some people that got more consequences than they deserved, true. That doesn’t take away from the horror of what did happen. It doesn’t take away from what happened in 2020, nor does 2020 make Jan 6 any less of a tragic event. All partisanship aside, We should all be in agreement that it is in our best interest that it never happen again. We don’t know who would be in the positions to make the game changing decisions next time. And once it’s done, it’s never coming back. Some of you, on both sides, believe (or at least act like) America is in serious decline and we’ve lost our freedoms. I’d urge you to go spend some time and get to know some of the every day folks in Russia. See if your perspective changes any. We don’t want it to happen again.
Bigbrog Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Who thinks that there were quite a few completely idiotic people that used the election results as a way to say and do completely idiotic things on Jan 6th? Who thinks that what happened on Jan 6th was COMPLETELY overblown for political reasons and/or utter hate for a single person? Who thinks a lot of people in the US, and on these boards, are complete and utter hypocrites when it comes to condemning protests/riots due to political reasons and/or utter hate for a single person?? 2
WrestlingRasta Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Who thinks that there were quite a few completely idiotic people that used the election results as a way to say and do completely idiotic things on Jan 6th? There were definitely, a whooooooole lot of people, on both sides, who fall in that category. Before Jan 6, on Jan 6, and after Jan 6. However that does not mean the things that did happen...did not. Who thinks that what happened on Jan 6th was COMPLETELY overblown for political reasons and/or utter hate for a single person? There were definitely people, on both sides, who used Jan 6 for political purposes instead of just getting down to simply the truth of it all. That doesn't mean the events that did take place did not happen or are overblowing. It does make good smoke to hide the truth from the people, both sides, who don't want to look past the smoke for the truth, but again, does not eliminate what did happen. Who thinks a lot of people in the US, and on these boards, are complete and utter hypocrites when it comes to condemning protests/riots due to political reasons and/or utter hate for a single person?? Absolutely, 100%. Some who fail or refuse to recognize it. Some who do and just don't care. Just my opinions. Edited January 7 by WrestlingRasta
red viking Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Overblown? Look at the stats. A few people died and several were injured. Saying it was "no big deal" is more right wing lies and propaganda.
Caveira Posted January 7 Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, red viking said: Overblown? Look at the stats. A few people died and several were injured. Saying it was "no big deal" is more right wing lies and propaganda. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
red viking Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Caveira said: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/ Dumb article. Logic seems to be that since some people over-reported the deaths, that means that it wasn't a big deal. Is that good logic? Article also conveniently ignores all the injuries. More right-wing selective reporting/propaganda. 1
Bigbrog Posted January 7 Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, red viking said: Dumb article. Logic seems to be that since some people over-reported the deaths, that means that it wasn't a big deal. Is that good logic? Article also conveniently ignores all the injuries. More right-wing selective reporting/propaganda. LOL...so what you wrote is what exactly than, other than being wrong??
red viking Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Bigbrog said: LOL...so what you wrote is what exactly than, other than being wrong?? Bottom line. A few death, many injuries and mass trespassing on our most sacred building. Funny. If liberals had done this there would be outrage. Since they were wingers though, it's "no big deal."
Bigbrog Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 minute ago, red viking said: Bottom line. A few death, many injuries and mass trespassing on our most sacred building. Funny. If liberals had done this there would be outrage. Since they were wingers though, it's "no big deal." Who on here said it was "no big deal"???? And here is your claim of "A few death" (great English by the way) - simple google search "Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer who died of natural causes a day after being assaulted by rioters." So in reality, only 1 person could be said to have died on Jan 6th and that is the person who was shot by Capital Police. Am I calling you out to downplay that person dying, NO, but rather how you provide nothing other than spewing out emotional words with no facts or merit...aka you lie and provide nothing to the topic at hand. 1
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Bigbrog said: Who on here said it was "no big deal"???? And here is your claim of "A few death" (great English by the way) - simple google search "Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer who died of natural causes a day after being assaulted by rioters." So in reality, only 1 person could be said to have died on Jan 6th and that is the person who was shot by Capital Police. Am I calling you out to downplay that person dying, NO, but rather how you provide nothing other than spewing out emotional words with no facts or merit...aka you lie and provide nothing to the topic at hand. Chances are, Red Viking celebrated the Ashli Babbitt death on social media as many of his ideological kin have. 2
Caveira Posted January 7 Posted January 7 @red vikingwhat do you think about the mostly peaceful protests…. The ones with the burning buildings in the background.
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7 Posted January 7 51 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Chances are, Red Viking celebrated the Ashli Babbitt death on social media as many of his ideological kin have. What a terrible thing to say with absolutely no evidence. And as for statements like @Bigbrog's COMPLETELY overblown and @Ohio Elite's overblown joke, those are absurd. Something like this had never happened before. Not even remotely close. People invaded the capital with the expressed intent to interrupt the peaceful transition of power - an absolute hallmark of our freedom, legislators were forced to barricade the doors and ultimately seek more secure locations, rioters chanted "hang Mike Pence" while invading the capitol, legislators private offices were invaded and documents stolen, someone took a shiit on one of their desks. And yes, several people died as a direct result according to @Caveira's own linked article. The many, many, many attempts to portray that as just another day in the life, peaceful protest, overblown, blah, blah, blah, are mind boggling to me. Just keep repeating the lie. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Caveira Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I mean home boy did say he would join hamas. He’s 100% certified trash can we agree on that? we give cinnabun man more grief for welching on a bet vs saying he’d join a terrorist organization. Edited January 7 by Caveira
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: What a terrible thing to say with absolutely no evidence. You do know that many people are continuing to celebrate Babbitt's death on social media, correct? I'm sure he will admit to it.
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Caveira said: I mean home boy did say he would join hamas. He’s 100% certified trash can we agree on that? I do not recall that. I rarely, very rarely, and only occasionally at the margin, agree with him, but I am unwilling to go the 100% certified trash route. There was one guy who used to be on this board that was certified trash. I reserve that category for him. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: You do know that many people are continuing to celebrate Babbitt's death on social media, correct? I'm sure he will admit to it. Reason number .... I lost count .... that I am not on social media. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Caveira Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Wrestleknownothing said: I do not recall that. I rarely, very rarely, and only occasionally at the margin, agree with him, but I am unwilling to go the 100% certified trash route. There was one guy who used to be on this board that was certified trash. I reserve that category for him. I’ve quoted it twice. Not looking for it again.
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Just now, Wrestleknownothing said: Reason number .... I lost count .... that I am not on social media. OK, fair enough. We are talking about a man (RV) who said he would be in favor of joining Hamas under the right circumstances.
mspart Posted January 7 Posted January 7 5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: What a terrible thing to say with absolutely no evidence. And as for statements like @Bigbrog's COMPLETELY overblown and @Ohio Elite's overblown joke, those are absurd. Something like this had never happened before. Not even remotely close. People invaded the capital with the expressed intent to interrupt the peaceful transition of power - an absolute hallmark of our freedom, legislators were forced to barricade the doors and ultimately seek more secure locations, rioters chanted "hang Mike Pence" while invading the capitol, legislators private offices were invaded and documents stolen, someone took a shiit on one of their desks. And yes, several people died as a direct result according to @Caveira's own linked article. The many, many, many attempts to portray that as just another day in the life, peaceful protest, overblown, blah, blah, blah, are mind boggling to me. Just keep repeating the lie. Perhaps nothing like this had never happened before. Is that a reason to misrepresent the facts of the issue. Only "demonstrators" died on Jan 6. One was shot dead by a capital police officer, 1 died of drug overdose, 2 died of heart attacks. Officer Sicknick died of suffering 2 strokes the day after and these strokes were confirmed had nothing to do with the previous day. Another officer died days later of suicide. Two others died in the summer months later. There is no reason to misrepresent (lie) about the facts of the event. To call it an insurrection is also misrepresenting what happened. No one has been prosecuted for insurrection. So that is not what happened. Please convince me that the Federal Government would not prosecute that if they could. It can't be shown. There was no insurrection. There was no effort to overthrow the government in a weaponless insurrection. After a few hours authorities said it was time to go and everyone left. That fact alone is how all insurrections end, wouldn't you think? mspart 3
Bigbrog Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: What a terrible thing to say with absolutely no evidence. And as for statements like @Bigbrog's COMPLETELY overblown and @Ohio Elite's overblown joke, those are absurd. Something like this had never happened before. Not even remotely close. People invaded the capital with the expressed intent to interrupt the peaceful transition of power - an absolute hallmark of our freedom, legislators were forced to barricade the doors and ultimately seek more secure locations, rioters chanted "hang Mike Pence" while invading the capitol, legislators private offices were invaded and documents stolen, someone took a shiit on one of their desks. And yes, several people died as a direct result according to @Caveira's own linked article. The many, many, many attempts to portray that as just another day in the life, peaceful protest, overblown, blah, blah, blah, are mind boggling to me. Just keep repeating the lie. I'd challenge you to re-read ALL of what I wrote and then would expect you may want to revise you second sentence. In addition, read Rasta's response as it appears that he understood the overall point. And I agree with most of what he responded. I'd also challenge you to remove your emotional feelings about what happened and read what everyone wrote in this thread and then I assume you would revise your last sentence as well. People on here have not once said what you are claiming, other than use of the word "overblown", and you are using that word totally removed of any context in which it was used. As for the "several people died" comment, I'd be open to a back and forth on how any of the deaths outside of the person who was shot on Jan 6th can be claimed to have occurred on Jan 6th, or because of it?? By the way WNK, you are definitely one of the good "lefties" on here that I enjoy going back and forth with. 1
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, mspart said: To call it an insurrection is also misrepresenting what happened. No one has been prosecuted for insurrection. So that is not what happened. Please convince me that the Federal Government would not prosecute that if they could. It can't be shown. There was no insurrection. There was no effort to overthrow the government in a weaponless insurrection. After a few hours authorities said it was time to go and everyone left. That fact alone is how all insurrections end, wouldn't you think? mspart Yeah, my guess is that those guys had a couple of firearms at home... but they didn't bring any to "overthrow" the most powerful nation in the history of the world. Not making a lot of sense. I'm not a fan of what happened that day and definitely believe things went too far... just not as far as leftists and the media want us to think they did. 1
PortaJohn Posted January 7 Posted January 7 23 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Something like this had never happened before. Not even remotely close. I'd put the Civil War and the Business Plot of 1933 as way more threatening attempts on our Nation than Jan 6th which was nothing more than a fart in the wind 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 minutes ago, mspart said: Perhaps nothing like this had never happened before. Is that a reason to misrepresent the facts of the issue. Only "demonstrators" died on Jan 6. One was shot dead by a capital police officer, 1 died of drug overdose, 2 died of heart attacks. Officer Sicknick died of suffering 2 strokes the day after and these strokes were confirmed had nothing to do with the previous day. Another officer died days later of suicide. Two others died in the summer months later. There is no reason to misrepresent (lie) about the facts of the event. To call it an insurrection is also misrepresenting what happened. No one has been prosecuted for insurrection. So that is not what happened. Please convince me that the Federal Government would not prosecute that if they could. It can't be shown. There was no insurrection. There was no effort to overthrow the government in a weaponless insurrection. After a few hours authorities said it was time to go and everyone left. That fact alone is how all insurrections end, wouldn't you think? mspart A couple of thoughts: I never said insurrection. I have not misrepresented the facts. All you have said is what you think did not happen. Just another attempt at minimization. That is what I railed against, and will continue to rail against. That is the lie that keeps getting repeated. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 7 Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I'd put the Civil War and the Business Plot of 1933 as way more threatening attempts on our Nation than Jan 6th which was nothing more than a fart in the wind Good answer. I started typing something similar, but deleted. Very well done.
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