Mass Shooting At Christian School

[red viking]

Parents are probably dogmatic Christians BTW.  

[jross]

Both parents addicted to drugs, mom attempted suicide, name calling, treated kid "like scum."  Read the manifesto -- it's sad.

Easier to read - https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1868795614491800032.html

Edited December 17 by jross

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

Both parents addicted to drugs, mom attempted suicide, name calling, treated kid "like scum."  Read the manifesto -- it's sad.

Easier to read - https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1868795614491800032.html

Again, you're simply going by the accusations of a very unstable teen. 

[red viking]

All I can tell is that her and her dad went to the shooting range together and he was very proud that she was there. Also appears to be a staunch Christian. Not necessarily a bad guy though. 

Edited December 17 by red viking

[mspart]

29 minutes ago, red viking said:

All I can tell is that her and her dad went to the shooting range together and he was very proud that she was there. Also appears to be a staunch Christian. Not necessarily a bad guy though. 

Even a Christian man can be a person that is not a bad guy, imagine that.

I have not read the manifesto or much else.    All I know is a 15 year old girl shot up the place with a 9mm handgun.   Probably had only one clip as there are 2 dead, 6 injured, and her dead as well.   Probably ran out of ammo and off'd herself, which was probably her intent anyway.   Reasons for the shooting will be unhinged.   If she was suicidal and decided to take out others with her, that would be unhinged.   If she was mad at her parents, that would be unhinged.   Nobody does this kind of thing unless they are unhinged, in my opinion.  

mspart

Edited December 17 by mspart

[Caveira]

35 minutes ago, red viking said:

Again, you're simply going by the accusations of a very unstable teen. 

You seem to be ok making accusations about the parents though.   

[Bigbrog]

Thoughts and prayers to all the family, students, teachers, etc. impacted by this senseless tragic event.

PLEASE as a society make mental health an ok thing to seek help for and for us to invest in those services

[red viking]

23 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You seem to be ok making accusations about the parents though.   

Wasn't my intent. It's probably mostly her own issues and not her parents' fault. Just saying that IF you want to put the blame on the parents (which wingers like to do), dad appears to be a fellow winger. I think it's probably not his fault though. 

[jross]

Manifesto talks about seeing a therapist...

Parents divorced multiple times is confirmed...

Story as old as time... broken family causes sad and angry children...

Not just the divorce, but broken...

[mspart]

55 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Thoughts and prayers to all the family, students, teachers, etc. impacted by this senseless tragic event.

PLEASE as a society make mental health an ok thing to seek help for and for us to invest in those services

Agreed.

mspart

[jross]

Unfortunately the two wrestlers that I went to High School state wrestling with as a Junior... offed themself.  Unhappy childhoods leading to unhappy adulthood. 

I suppose I could have been the trifecta.

My parents verbally fought like cats and dogs over my eldest rebellious sister.  I hid and cried uncontrollably under the stairs.  That emotional trauma was nothing compared to the emptiness when mom kicked dad out of the house (both times).  My parents stuck it out and life was better with my folks, middle sister, and me from there.  I was 8 and 10 years old when these 1-3 month incidents (dad out of the house) occurred.  I would be trouble had I not had a father to show me the way.

My mother praises my children's behavior but not my sister's children's behavior.  Is this because I'm married for 20 years while my sisters are both divorced?  Being present and giving a damn is 80% of the job.  

Edited December 17 by jross

[red viking]

My mom was divorced 3x and my dad once. My brothers and I were all fine. 

This is simply Republican winger BS theories that aren't supported. Sure, the average kid from broken family has, on average, more issues than the kid that isn't but first of all it isn't necessarily a strong cause-effect relationship and secondly there are many many other factors that can lead to problems for a kids. 

Simply ignorance. That's what this is. 

Edited December 17 by red viking

[red viking]

19 minutes ago, jross said:

Unfortunately the two wrestlers that I went to High School state wrestling with as a Junior... offed themself.  Unhappy childhoods leading to unhappy adulthood. 

I suppose I could have been the trifecta.

My parents verbally fought like cats and dogs over my eldest rebellious sister.  I hid and cried uncontrollably under the stairs.  That emotional trauma was nothing compared to the emptiness when mom kicked dad out of the house (both times).  My parents stuck it out and life was better with my folks, middle sister, and me from there.  I was 8 and 10 years old when these 1-3 month incidents (dad out of the house) occurred.  I would be trouble had I not had a father to show me the way.

My mother praises my children's behavior but not my sister's children's behavior.  Is this because I'm married for 20 years while my sisters are both divorced?  Being present and giving a damn is 80% of the job.  

I'm glad my mom kicked out her 2nd husband and she couldn't live with my dad either due to his lifestyle. They both would have been miserable since he refused to modify his lifestyle.  Most of the time divorce is better when parents don't get along. You're living in your own anecdotal bubble. 

Edited December 17 by red viking

[mspart]

You have not read the manifesto yet declare what was not the problem.  No way it could be anything to do with the family because you had a bad family and you came out ok.   Interesting.   Your anecdotal experience seems to be in the way of your objectivity. 

mspart

[jross]

It's not necessarily the multiple divorces, rather her family doesn't care.  (e.g. IT IS BROKEN)

• "My parents are scum, there is nothing that will save them to make me think good of them Ever again."
• "I was the wrong child of the family, my parents admit they didn't want me, nor never did even if i've grown. I'm always the one who sat out or sat in another room because they didn't want to interact with me at any point in time, then I stayed in my room all day during the day and night and after and before school as well."
• "My parents divorced quite a few times which didn't help me at all but not did it really affect me it just made me a little lonely because nobody was there for me and never really has."
• "My mother tried overdosing when I was around 12 or something, I don't care if she would have survived or died from it but yet she was still here, doesn't mean she actually was in my life."
• "I've never really liked my father to be exact, because honestly why should I, our hate is mutual to each other, he will never see me as his daughter."
• "He will never love me like he loved his ex or her kids or even alcohol.."
• "My so-called family never included me because I was too weird for them, my father never treated me with respect. My father will always make me stand out in the worst possible way yet, bring up how I fail school or can't get out of bed simply because I don't want to leave. He makes me look like a freak to his family and friends, he says so much but look at his bad side."
• "I got the weapons by lies and manipulation, and my fathers stupidity."

[jross]

On her therapist.

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My therapist sucks, he's just some weak and fat guy who doesn't deserve everything he has now, nobody deserves anything good.

 

[jross]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I'm glad my mom kicked out her 2nd husband and she couldn't live with my dad either due to his lifestyle. They both would have been miserable since he refused to modify his lifestyle.  Most of the time divorce is better when parents don't get along. You're living in your own anecdotal bubble. 

Did you catch the point? 

Divorce is not "the reason", it is a symptom of "the reason."  Regardless of the reasons, 80% of the parents job is to be present and give a damn.  

Unhappy parents make for unhappy children.

[jross]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I'm glad my mom kicked out her 2nd husband and she couldn't live with my dad either due to his lifestyle. They both would have been miserable since he refused to modify his lifestyle.  Most of the time divorce is better when parents don't get along. You're living in your own anecdotal bubble. 

I'm sorry if you didn't have a childhood with two stable parents.  

I agree that remaining together can be worse than being apart.

[red viking]

2 hours ago, jross said:

On her therapist.

 

Maybe she's just screwed up. I think parents and other people get too much blame. A lot of times, kids just have mental health issues. Especially teens. 

But yah, her Christian and right wing upbringing probably didn't help. 

Edited December 17 by red viking

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

Maybe she's just screwed up. I think parents and other people get too much blame. A lot of times, kids just have mental health issues. Especially teens. 

But yah, her Christian and right wing upbringing probably didn't help. 

You are a piece of work.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

All of this is unverified per the police chief. I am willing  to wait until real info is available.

[mspart]

Who needs real info when we can argue over fake info?

mspart

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, mspart said:

Who needs real info when we can argue over fake info?

mspart

Exactly. Earlier in this thread some people got convinced the killer was trans and taking medication to transition.

[headshuck]

Yeah, I’ll admit I fell for some early reports.

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Maybe she's just screwed up. I think parents and other people get too much blame. A lot of times, kids just have mental health issues. Especially teens. 

But yah, her Christian and right wing upbringing probably didn't help. 

So let me get this straight...you have one paragraph that says parents get to much blame and that a lot of times kids just have mental health issues...etc...then you have a sentence after that saying it was because of her upbringing....here's a little hint you pathetic poster...upbringing is done by her parents!!!

By the way, do you know in fact her parents are right wing??  Do you know anything about any of the people involved??  NO you don't, so shut your dumb mouth and quit turning a terrible tragedy into some ignorant partisan crap.