Boise State volleyball forfeits in conference tourney over trans player

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Even after the election people still think biological men playing woman sports it isn't a big deal...LOL...reason no. 54 why the D's lost this election so bad, they clearly aren't listening to the majority of Americans.  

I think it’s a medium sized deal, but I think it was far down the list of why people voted the way they did.  It was about the economy.

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[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Even after the election people still think biological men playing woman sports it isn't a big deal...LOL...reason no. 54 why the D's lost this election so bad, they clearly aren't listening to the majority of Americans.  

Yeah but rv thinks biological women may be taking over men's sports.  

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

I enjoy wrestling but won't tell anybody that it's actually important. 

But are you concerned about biological women taking over the 125 lb class just because its easier for them to make weight? 

[Bigbrog]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I think it’s a medium sized deal, but I think it was far down the list of why people voted the way they did.  It was about the economy.

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

Not one of the reasons Democrats lost. They missed on much bigger issues. 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

 They missed on much bigger issues. 

That too.

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

Just because Republicans plastered ads about it doesn’t mean it actually impacted how more than a few people voted

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[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Not one of the reasons Democrats lost. They missed on much bigger issues. 

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

[1032004]

37 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

Not really.  Quite a few down-ballot Republicans in states Trump won that spent a lot of money on anti-trans ads lost their races.

[Bigbrog]

42 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Just because Republicans plastered ads about it doesn’t mean it actually impacted how more than a few people voted

What does this even mean?  So it was one of the platforms R's ran on but only a few people voted for woman's rights in sports, yet the R's crushed the D's in the election???  Not sure I understand that logic.  I was with you on it may not be a "big issue" depending on a how a person defines it, but to say it wasn't something that impacted how people voted is completely disingenuous.  I believe people who voted R most certainly felt that there was a need for policy reform when it comes to biological men competing with women in sports.  This isn't a semantics argument like some are trying to make it and I hope you aren't as well.  Of course it wasn't the ONLY reason, or the MAIN reason the R's voted for R's, but people running for office would NOT have spent millions and millions of dollars on ads if they felt like it wasn't a big deal to their voting base.  Mental gymnastics isn't going to convince me otherwise.

[Bigbrog]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Not really.  Quite a few down-ballot Republicans in states Trump won that spent a lot of money on anti-trans ads lost their races.

So they lost because of their stance on biological males competing with woman??  Come on!! 

By the way, believing biological men shouldn't compete with woman does not equal "anti-trans".  Twisted logic and emotional statements aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.  

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So they lost because of their stance on biological males competing with woman??  Come on!! 

By the way, believing biological men shouldn't compete with woman does not equal "anti-trans".  Twisted logic and emotional statements aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.  

Yes I agree with your second sentence.  Apologies my sentence was worded poorly.

I still feel that biological men competing in women’s sports had very little impact in the election.

[mspart]

I think this is a good case for this kind of thing to be more regulated.   The tourney is not complete if there are forfeits going on, which is demonstrably wrong, especially for the cause they are forfeited.

Womens sports are for women, not men pretending to be women.  Period.

mspart

[Lipdrag]

4 hours ago, red viking said:

An obvious deflection by wingers from more important issues facing our great nation. 

Yeah, feminists are notoriously conservative from a political standpoint.  Title IX regulations and interpretations in favor of women at the expense of men have been a notoriously conservative political topic.  

Lefties eating lefties is getting more and more entertaining to watch.

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, Caveira said:

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

A Trump sycophant lost the election to the US Senate in my state to a guy who was pretty open about his liberal leaning. Then again he was also a combat veteran who isn't full of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* either. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

A Trump sycophant lost the election to the US Senate in my state to a guy who was pretty open about his liberal leaning. Then again he was also a combat veteran who isn't full of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* either. 

Then it’s settled?

[RockLobster]

12 hours ago, mspart said:

I think this is a good case for this kind of thing to be more regulated.   The tourney is not complete if there are forfeits going on, which is demonstrably wrong, especially for the cause they are forfeited.

Womens sports are for women, not men pretending to be women.  Period.

mspart

Agreed.

But the pertinent point here is who this is a good case for, exactly?

My take? Leave the teams alone, leave the players alone, stop personally attacking trans people. That's all wrongheaded BS. It's not an excuse to be hateful toward other people who are following the rules as they should be.

The rules are made by the organizing groups, in this case the NCAA and the Conference.

Bring that good case - but bring it to those that can actually make the change. Those that are responsible for policy. Make change happen. Make the world better as you see fit. Thankfully, we are blessed with that right in this country.

If the NCAA changed their policy toward trans athlete participation - I see no problem with that at all.

The only problem I see are the people that can't figure out that personal hatred and disrespect aren't the right play here. Civility and understanding are much better choices.

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[Tripnsweep]

My wife wrestled internationally for years. I once asked her what she thought of things like this, given that she could end up wrestling a transgender person. She didn't care. She said that in her view it didn't matter because she still needed to beat them, so worrying about things like this, that she can't control or do anything about, is a waste of mental energy and she'd just rather be focused on winning. That and she also felt that she was stronger than any average guy her size so it wouldn't matter.