Boise State volleyball forfeits in conference tourney over trans player

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Even after the election people still think biological men playing woman sports it isn't a big deal...LOL...reason no. 54 why the D's lost this election so bad, they clearly aren't listening to the majority of Americans.  

I think it’s a medium sized deal, but I think it was far down the list of why people voted the way they did.  It was about the economy.

Edited December 2 by 1032004

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Even after the election people still think biological men playing woman sports it isn't a big deal...LOL...reason no. 54 why the D's lost this election so bad, they clearly aren't listening to the majority of Americans.  

Yeah but rv thinks biological women may be taking over men's sports.  

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

I enjoy wrestling but won't tell anybody that it's actually important. 

But are you concerned about biological women taking over the 125 lb class just because its easier for them to make weight? 

[Bigbrog]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I think it’s a medium sized deal, but I think it was far down the list of why people voted the way they did.  It was about the economy.

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

Not one of the reasons Democrats lost. They missed on much bigger issues. 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

 They missed on much bigger issues. 

That too.

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I agree with this on a personal level; however, it cannot be dismissed as "not a big deal" when it is in fact a big/medium sized deal for most American's and it was and is part of how people voted.

Just because Republicans plastered ads about it doesn’t mean it actually impacted how more than a few people voted

Edited December 2 by 1032004

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Not one of the reasons Democrats lost. They missed on much bigger issues. 

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

[1032004]

37 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

Not really.  Quite a few down-ballot Republicans in states Trump won that spent a lot of money on anti-trans ads lost their races.

[Bigbrog]

42 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Just because Republicans plastered ads about it doesn’t mean it actually impacted how more than a few people voted

What does this even mean?  So it was one of the platforms R's ran on but only a few people voted for woman's rights in sports, yet the R's crushed the D's in the election???  Not sure I understand that logic.  I was with you on it may not be a "big issue" depending on a how a person defines it, but to say it wasn't something that impacted how people voted is completely disingenuous.  I believe people who voted R most certainly felt that there was a need for policy reform when it comes to biological men competing with women in sports.  This isn't a semantics argument like some are trying to make it and I hope you aren't as well.  Of course it wasn't the ONLY reason, or the MAIN reason the R's voted for R's, but people running for office would NOT have spent millions and millions of dollars on ads if they felt like it wasn't a big deal to their voting base.  Mental gymnastics isn't going to convince me otherwise.

[Bigbrog]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Not really.  Quite a few down-ballot Republicans in states Trump won that spent a lot of money on anti-trans ads lost their races.

So they lost because of their stance on biological males competing with woman??  Come on!! 

By the way, believing biological men shouldn't compete with woman does not equal "anti-trans".  Twisted logic and emotional statements aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.  

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So they lost because of their stance on biological males competing with woman??  Come on!! 

By the way, believing biological men shouldn't compete with woman does not equal "anti-trans".  Twisted logic and emotional statements aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.  

Yes I agree with your second sentence.  Apologies my sentence was worded poorly.

I still feel that biological men competing in women’s sports had very little impact in the election.

[mspart]

I think this is a good case for this kind of thing to be more regulated.   The tourney is not complete if there are forfeits going on, which is demonstrably wrong, especially for the cause they are forfeited.

Womens sports are for women, not men pretending to be women.  Period.

mspart

[Lipdrag]

4 hours ago, red viking said:

An obvious deflection by wingers from more important issues facing our great nation. 

Yeah, feminists are notoriously conservative from a political standpoint.  Title IX regulations and interpretations in favor of women at the expense of men have been a notoriously conservative political topic.  

Lefties eating lefties is getting more and more entertaining to watch.

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, Caveira said:

The far left radical agenda in this space is definitely a reason people voted R this time.  You not seeing it is part of the radical left’s problem.   

A Trump sycophant lost the election to the US Senate in my state to a guy who was pretty open about his liberal leaning. Then again he was also a combat veteran who isn't full of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* either. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

A Trump sycophant lost the election to the US Senate in my state to a guy who was pretty open about his liberal leaning. Then again he was also a combat veteran who isn't full of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* either. 

Then it’s settled?

[RockLobster]

12 hours ago, mspart said:

I think this is a good case for this kind of thing to be more regulated.   The tourney is not complete if there are forfeits going on, which is demonstrably wrong, especially for the cause they are forfeited.

Womens sports are for women, not men pretending to be women.  Period.

mspart

Agreed.

But the pertinent point here is who this is a good case for, exactly?

My take? Leave the teams alone, leave the players alone, stop personally attacking trans people. That's all wrongheaded BS. It's not an excuse to be hateful toward other people who are following the rules as they should be.

The rules are made by the organizing groups, in this case the NCAA and the Conference.

Bring that good case - but bring it to those that can actually make the change. Those that are responsible for policy. Make change happen. Make the world better as you see fit. Thankfully, we are blessed with that right in this country.

If the NCAA changed their policy toward trans athlete participation - I see no problem with that at all.

The only problem I see are the people that can't figure out that personal hatred and disrespect aren't the right play here. Civility and understanding are much better choices.

Edited December 3 by RockLobster

[Tripnsweep]

My wife wrestled internationally for years. I once asked her what she thought of things like this, given that she could end up wrestling a transgender person. She didn't care. She said that in her view it didn't matter because she still needed to beat them, so worrying about things like this, that she can't control or do anything about, is a waste of mental energy and she'd just rather be focused on winning. That and she also felt that she was stronger than any average guy her size so it wouldn't matter. 

[Bigbrog]

9 hours ago, RockLobster said:

Agreed.

But the pertinent point here is who this is a good case for, exactly?

My take? Leave the teams alone, leave the players alone, stop personally attacking trans people. That's all wrongheaded BS. It's not an excuse to be hateful toward other people who are following the rules as they should be.

The rules are made by the organizing groups, in this case the NCAA and the Conference.

Bring that good case - but bring it to those that can actually make the change. Those that are responsible for policy. Make change happen. Make the world better as you see fit. Thankfully, we are blessed with that right in this country.

If the NCAA changed their policy toward trans athlete participation - I see no problem with that at all.

The only problem I see are the people that can't figure out that personal hatred and disrespect aren't the right play here. Civility and understanding are much better choices.

Once again...WHO is attacking the trans people here??  And the people upset about this (the woman playing volleyball against the trans person) are suing the appropriate people for change....just as you suggest...they aren't suing the trans person or attacking them.

And please show where anyone on here, or the girls suing the appropriate people, is demonstrating any personal hatred or disrespect towards the trans person.  All I have read is people are okay with whatever choices the trans person wants to do, but that doesn't supersede their biology, hence the belief that biological men should not play against biological woman.  Believing that is in no way showing "hatred" towards a trans person.

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

My wife wrestled internationally for years. I once asked her what she thought of things like this, given that she could end up wrestling a transgender person. She didn't care. She said that in her view it didn't matter because she still needed to beat them, so worrying about things like this, that she can't control or do anything about, is a waste of mental energy and she'd just rather be focused on winning. That and she also felt that she was stronger than any average guy her size so it wouldn't matter. 

Well good for her.  Doesn't mean everyone, including the rest of the woman, should or do believe things the way your wife does.  I bet if her spot was taken on a nation team by a biological male she would have different opinions.

[red viking]

9 hours ago, RockLobster said:

Agreed.

But the pertinent point here is who this is a good case for, exactly?

My take? Leave the teams alone, leave the players alone, stop personally attacking trans people. That's all wrongheaded BS. It's not an excuse to be hateful toward other people who are following the rules as they should be.

The rules are made by the organizing groups, in this case the NCAA and the Conference.

Bring that good case - but bring it to those that can actually make the change. Those that are responsible for policy. Make change happen. Make the world better as you see fit. Thankfully, we are blessed with that right in this country.

If the NCAA changed their policy toward trans athlete participation - I see no problem with that at all.

The only problem I see are the people that can't figure out that personal hatred and disrespect aren't the right play here. Civility and understanding are much better choices.

Agreed 100%. Let the NCAA deal with this. This is way too trivial for Congress or a President to get involved with, especially given the very small # of transgenders playing women's sports. People that are actually concerned about this (unless they, for example, have a daughter competing against a transgender) are very spoiled  (1st world problems). 

I actually agree that if somebody is born a man or ever took male hormones, they shouldn't be allowed to play women's sports. However, with our issues re: inflation, the national debt, foreign wars, and a new President that wants to make radical  and widespread changes, I"m astonished that people are making this a priority issue. 

Edited December 3 by red viking

[Tripnsweep]

15 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Well good for her.  Doesn't mean everyone, including the rest of the woman, should or do believe things the way your wife does.  I bet if her spot was taken on a nation team by a biological male she would have different opinions.

I think her home country is too conservative for that to happen. But if it did, I don't think it would make a big difference to her, because in her view, that would mean she didn't work hard enough to win that spot. It's a much different mentality for her, winning is basically what matters. When she went to worlds 6 years ago and lost in the first round to a girl she had beaten by tech fall at some other tournament, there wasn't any kind of woe is me feeling sorry for herself. Literally the next day she was drilling at 6am obsessively. Things like whether somebody is transgender don't register or take up any thoughts because it just distracted from thinking about how to win. 

[Bigbrog]

4 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

I think her home country is too conservative for that to happen. But if it did, I don't think it would make a big difference to her, because in her view, that would mean she didn't work hard enough to win that spot. It's a much different mentality for her, winning is basically what matters. When she went to worlds 6 years ago and lost in the first round to a girl she had beaten by tech fall at some other tournament, there wasn't any kind of woe is me feeling sorry for herself. Literally the next day she was drilling at 6am obsessively. Things like whether somebody is transgender don't register or take up any thoughts because it just distracted from thinking about how to win. 

Fair enough...hats off to your wife

[Tripnsweep]

25 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Fair enough...hats off to your wife

Most other athletes don't really care either. At least ones who are competing at a high level. I don't think the teams that forfeited or complained really care that deeply, it's just a way to score political points. 

[Caveira]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:52 AM, red viking said:

Not one of the reasons Democrats lost. They missed on much bigger issues. 

The left needs to figure this out.  
 

is the right transphobic Misogynistic  racist hateful people

and.   And.  And at the same time 

not using trans issues as part of their decision of how to vote??????

me confused.