Will xeet become the new tweet?

[headshuck]

One of the most famous entrepreneurs is testing it out.

 

[RockLobster]

Who cares.

Admiration for wealthy people is a waste of emotion and time.

They don't care one bit about you. Not - one - bit.

To them, you are nothing more than a brainless servant.

(Yet, ironically, your post actually serves one here.)

[WrestlingRasta]

Do you ever have anything fun or positive to say? 

[RockLobster]

8 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Do you ever have anything fun or positive to say? 

Hell yes!

Did you see the results of the Mountaineer Invitational today? 

So much good wrestling. Cool to see B1G at App State. All wrestling is good wrestling, and more wrestling is better.

 

[RockLobster]

18 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Do you ever have anything fun or positive to say? 

But - when posters put the ultra wealthy on a pedestal, I think that sends the wrong message to the younger kids who are on these forums.

Wealth isn't the measure of a man. Not even close.

I believe our society isn't doing a good enough job of communicating that message. I'll keep working to fix that.

[RockLobster]

23 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Do you ever have anything fun or positive to say? 

So.

What do you have positive to say?

[headshuck]

Marc Andreessen is the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser with a graphical user interface; co-founder of Netscape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen

Boy wonder from Cedar Falls Iowa.

[RockLobster]

4 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Marc Andreessen is the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser with a graphical user interface; co-founder of Netscape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen

Boy wonder from Cedar Falls Iowa.

Good discussion, this is fun.

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Gopher browser. Born at the University of Minnesota.

Gopher arrived a couple years before Mosaic. Wasn't a www browser, used the "gopher" protocol for browsing.

Arguably, the first browser (even though it wasn't as widely adopted.)

[headshuck]

No UofM entrepreneurs were included in the news today otherwise I would have been proud. You represent the worst of liberals. A perfect example of lazy, bitter hatred of capitalism. Assume the worst until you’re called out.

[RockLobster]

1 minute ago, headshuck said:

No UofM entrepreneurs were included in the news today otherwise I would have been proud. You represent the worst of liberals. A perfect example of lazy, bitter hatred of capitalism. Assume the worst until you’re called out.

Wow, you're no fun at all. Can't you at least say something positive?

Save your attack on me for someone else, I'm not a liberal.

Better yet, just choose not to attack anyone else. Don't call anyone you don't know lazy, or bitter, or anything else.

Just try to be nice. Be fun, say positive things.

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Do you ever have anything fun or positive to say? 

Even Rasta has you figured out.

[ionel]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Marc Andreessen is the co-author of Mosaic, the first widely used web browser with a graphical user interface; co-founder of Netscape.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen

Boy wonder from Cedar Falls Iowa.

Well sure but where did the first browser come from?  No Al Gore did not invent the internet but the browser came from Mark Andreessen and University of Illinois.  But yes we were interneting before we were browsing.  The good old days when you could get on the web, communicate with people and applications around the world and there were no stinking pop ups!  

[Caveira]

I’m young enough to remember pine and muds.    Oof that’s young.   What about CICS… 

[headshuck]

In the early 90’s i put a database online using WAIS. Wide area information service. It was more search friendly than the Gopher menu-based system.

[RockLobster]

On 11/9/2024 at 11:25 PM, ionel said:

Well sure but where did the first browser come from?  No Al Gore did not invent the internet but the browser came from Mark Andreessen and University of Illinois.  But yes we were interneting before we were browsing.  The good old days when you could get on the web, communicate with people and applications around the world and there were no stinking pop ups!  

"Well sure but where did the first browser come from?"

Not Marc Andreessen and not the NCSA in Illinois. That Mosaic browser was one of the first browsers - but not the first. And not the first 'www' browser, either.

Gopher arrived in 1991 (a couple years before Mosaic) and was quite a bit more popular than any of the other browsers, including the 'www' browsers at the time. (see: The rise and fall of the Gopher protocol - MinnPost)

But make no mistake - there was almost no content to browse anyway. A few dozen sites globally or so in the first few years. Wasn't exactly the "good old days". If you were one of the few with an email address, it didn't help much. Unless you knew someone in the military (.mil) or someone else in higher education (.edu), there was basically no-one to exchange email with.

Things are soooo much better now. And still all 'free'... except someone still has to pay the bills. So, ads.

[RockLobster]

On 11/10/2024 at 9:39 AM, headshuck said:

In the early 90’s i put a database online using WAIS. Wide area information service. It was more search friendly than the Gopher menu-based system.

Gopher is/was a browsing system, WAIS is/was a search engine. They are different animals.

Kind of like Google Chrome is a browser, and Google Search is a search engine.

Or in Microsoft parlance, Edge is a browser and Bing is a search engine.

[RockLobster]

On 11/10/2024 at 8:55 AM, Caveira said:

I’m young enough to remember pine and muds.    Oof that’s young.   What about CICS… 

That is young.

When PINE came out, I was using Eudora over POP3/SMTP and PINE looked like it came out of a cave.

Speaking of caves - some of us had expended countless hours exploring the Colossal Cave and the Zork Underground before MUDs existed. (The former, at times, on a bangin' teletype.)

[RockLobster]

... THIS is the game I played the most as a child. Can anyone name it? (Don't cheat!)

[ionel]

9 hours ago, RockLobster said:

"Well sure but where did the first browser come from?"

Not Marc Andreessen and not the NCSA in Illinois. That Mosaic browser was one of the first browsers - but not the first. And not the first 'www' browser, either.

Gopher arrived in 1991 (a couple years before Mosaic) and was quite a bit more popular than any of the other browsers, including the 'www' browsers at the time. (see: The rise and fall of the Gopher protocol - MinnPost)

But make no mistake - there was almost no content to browse anyway. A few dozen sites globally or so in the first few years. Wasn't exactly the "good old days". If you were one of the few with an email address, it didn't help much. Unless you knew someone in the military (.mil) or someone else in higher education (.edu), there was basically no-one to exchange email with.

Things are soooo much better now. And still all 'free'... except someone still has to pay the bills. So, ads.

Ok maybe I should've said first widely used browser.  Once we had protocols some of us were using the Web, probably not "browsing" we knew where to find the info.  Yeah Gopher protocol was different. Mosaic seemed to work and it worked out well for Andreessen and University of Illinois.   

 

In the Web's first generation, Tim Berners-Lee launched the Uniform Resource Locator (URL), Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP), and HTML standards with prototype Unix-based servers and browsers. A few people noticed that the Web might be better than Gopher. In the second generation, Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina developed NCSA Mosaic at the University of Illinois. Several million then suddenly noticed that the Web might be better than sex.

— Bob Metcalfe, InfoWorld, August 21, 1995, Vol. 17, Issue 34.

[RockLobster]

15 hours ago, ionel said:

Ok maybe I should've said first widely used browser.  Once we had protocols some of us were using the Web, probably not "browsing" we knew where to find the info.  Yeah Gopher protocol was different. Mosaic seemed to work and it worked out well for Andreessen and University of Illinois.   

 

In the Web's first generation, Tim Berners-Lee launched the Uniform Resource Locator (URL), Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP), and HTML standards with prototype Unix-based servers and browsers. A few people noticed that the Web might be better than Gopher. In the second generation, Marc Andreessen and Eric Bina developed NCSA Mosaic at the University of Illinois. Several million then suddenly noticed that the Web might be better than sex.

— Bob Metcalfe, InfoWorld, August 21, 1995, Vol. 17, Issue 34.

That's closer, but still not quite right (it's all in the link I included in my last post. You'd have to read it to know what I was communicating to you.)

If anyone is interested - read the link, it's here: The rise and fall of the Gopher protocol - MinnPost

To the rest of your points:

• No. You weren't using the web until the web browser existed and web servers were hosting data.
• No. You didn't know where to find the info until you had a browser (and even if you did, you couldn't view it.)
• Gopher was a more widely used browser than Mosaic, until it wasn't. Then Mosaic was. Until it wasn't.
  Both were very successful in their time... which eventually meant mildly successful for a couple years.
• Gopher included both server and client systems. Mosaic was only a client system that communicated with the WWW server system - the latter being developed by Tim Berners-Lee before Mosaic came into being.
• Gopher vs WWW? (This is what, again, I included in the link above for those that are interested)
  • In a nutshell, as Gopher was being wound down - WWW was being expanded w/graphics, video, etc.
• Ol' Bob Metcalfe (as you referenced above) didn't exactly crack the case on what was happening in 1995. His reference above was somewhat subtle, but it was when porn joined the internet in ~1995 that things took off.
• Porn had existed on the internet but it was difficult to find and interact with (or so I've heard)
  With the expansion of the www to include graphics, audio/video, it took off and the internet took off with it.
  Gopher, who? Mosaic, who? Porn was the killer application that built the internet as we know it.

[ionel]

8 hours ago, RockLobster said:

 

• No. You weren't using the web until the web browser existed and web servers were hosting data.
• No. You didn't know where to find the info until you had a browser (and even if you did, you couldn't view it.)

So if there was no way to communicate, no protocols etc then how did any develop the web or browser?

[mspart]

What is Xeet?

mspart

[Wrestleknownothing]

28 minutes ago, mspart said:

What is Xeet?

mspart

I think we have our answer to the original question

[mspart]

Perhaps we do.  Xeet sounds stupid.   Cheap copy.

Disclaimer: No on X, was not on Twitter.   Not on facebook, tiktok, instagram, you get the picture.  

mspart

[RockLobster]

On 11/13/2024 at 10:02 AM, ionel said:

So if there was no way to communicate, no protocols etc then how did any develop the web or browser?

Protocols existed from the beginning, and they were used in multiple networking levels (look up OSI model.) Without them, networking wouldn't 'go'.

At the beginning, it was basically communications (email) and research sharing (file transfer) between the military and higher education research facilities. DNS/POP/SMTP/FTP/etc. those protocols worked just fine.

Our thread here has been focused on the "browsing" - which didn't happen until the Gopher (gopher) and Web (http) protocols were invented. Like all things communicating, they had to have a pair at a minimum. They required a server and a client in order to communicate.

The server side portion would need to be configured on an internet node somewhere so it could 'listen' for requests. Then the client side portion could be installed for anybody who wanted to 'send' requests to the server(s).

And... bingo... we were browsing.

I'm surprised you've hung in there on this topic this long. But the history truly is fascinating.

[ionel]

Like I said some were using communicating before the browser.