ANSWER THE QUESTION!!

[red viking]

18 hours ago, jross said:

How can Trump get a B when he is so crass?  Substance over style.

By substance, do you mean his actual policies and actions? Those are the worst of all. He's completely gotten by on his populism and charisma. 

[jross]

His administration checked boxes for most of what he ran on.

[red viking]

20 minutes ago, jross said:

His administration checked boxes for most of what he ran on.

Well, he did the exact opposite of what he said he would do on foreign policy (he's the biggest war monger we've ever had) and he expanded government spending and deficit instead of cutting it, so I wouldn't necessarily say that. Also, there are significant signs of inflation ramping up, based upon the PPI and rising fuel prices. He said he would actually CUT costs, so that's arguably a 3rd biggy. 

You just keep looking at everything through your red-tinted glasses though. 

 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

he's the biggest war monger we've ever had

He hasn’t even bombed as many countries nor has he dropped as many bombs as Mr Obama yet.   

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

He hasn’t even bombed as many countries nor has he dropped as many bombs as Mr Obama yet.   

More bombs per year than Obama. He's only done 5 years instead of 8 though. He's the Hitler of the 21st century. 

[red viking]

He's also a pedo

[jross]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

Well, he did the exact opposite of what he said he would do on foreign policy (he's the biggest war monger we've ever had) and he expanded government spending and deficit instead of cutting it, so I wouldn't necessarily say that. Also, there are significant signs of inflation ramping up, based upon the PPI and rising fuel prices. He said he would actually CUT costs, so that's arguably a 3rd biggy. 

You just keep looking at everything through your red-tinted glasses though. 

 

Look one page back and you will see we have some overlap.  This is why he is a B rather than an A.

[red viking]

17 minutes ago, jross said:

Look one page back and you will see we have some overlap.  This is why he is a B rather than an A.

He gets an F for substance, an A for charisma and populism. 

Does the pedophilia affect his grade though? 

[jross]

1. [A+] Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion
2. [B-] Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history
3. [C] End inflation, and make America affordable again
4. [A] Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5. [C+] STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. [A-] Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7. [A-] Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8. [C w/room to improve] Prevent world war three, restore peace in Europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9. [B-] End the weaponization of government against the American people
10. [B+] Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11. [C+] Rebuild our cities, including Washington DC, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12. [A] Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13. [A] Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency
14. [A] Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15. [A+] Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16. [A] Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17. [A] Keep men out of women's sports
18. [B] Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19. [C] Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20. [D-] Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

[red viking]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

1. [A+] Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion
2. [B-] Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history
3. [C] End inflation, and make America affordable again
4. [A] Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far!
5. [C+] STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
6. [A-] Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips!
7. [A-] Defend our constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms
8. [C w/room to improve] Prevent world war three, restore peace in Europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America
9. [B-] End the weaponization of government against the American people
10. [B+] Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders
11. [C+] Rebuild our cities, including Washington DC, making them safe, clean, and beautiful again.
12. [A] Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world
13. [A] Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency
14. [A] Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age
15. [A+] Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations
16. [A] Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children
17. [A] Keep men out of women's sports
18. [B] Deport pro-hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again
19. [C] Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship
20. [D-] Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success

There's a reason why he has a 36% approval rating, which is at or near a record low. You're grades are 110% tainted by your winger views. 

[jross]

Can you rate his efforts objectively and without regard to whether you agree with them?

For example... It isn't fair to say he gets an F for sealing the border if you believe in open borders.  He gets an A because illegal entry has nearly stopped.

[ThreePointTakedown]

14 minutes ago, jross said:

Can you rate his efforts objectively and without regard to whether you agree with them?

For example... It isn't fair to say he gets an F for sealing the border if you believe in open borders.  He gets an A because illegal entry has nearly stopped.

Yes. There are metrics that can be used to compare one administration to another. And can be as objective as is possible to be. 

 

What category(ies) would you like to compare?

[Caveira]

Just now, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

Yes. There are metrics that can be used to compare one administration to another. And can be as objective as is possible to be. 

 

What category(ies) would you like to compare?

There were like 20 listed  above 

[jross]

45 minutes ago, Caveira said:

There were like 20 listed  above 

I'm not comparing Trump to any other president.  I am grading Trump according to the core promises published in 2024.  

https://web.archive.org/web/20240713194113/https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

[red viking]

1 hour ago, jross said:

Can you rate his efforts objectively and without regard to whether you agree with them?

For example... It isn't fair to say he gets an F for sealing the border if you believe in open borders.  He gets an A because illegal entry has nearly stopped.

Few things that jump out to me as complete failures and you gave good grades for

Dollar as world's reserve currency - F. Value of dollar has tanked as many countries have fled the dollar for other currencies and gold. 

End weaponization of government against people - you have a B and he also gets an F-. He's weaponizing the DOJ against his enemies. Investigating any Democrat that he can, based upon party. 

He also campaigned on keeping American out of wars and he gets an F- for that too. I don't know what the hell you give him for that. 

Just a few examples of why your analysis itself gets an F-

 

 

[ThreePointTakedown]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

There were like 20 listed  above 

Those were subjective opinions. With not metrics offered. Hence my question. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

2 hours ago, jross said:

Can you rate his efforts objectively and without regard to whether you agree with them?

For example... It isn't fair to say he gets an F for sealing the border if you believe in open borders.  He gets an A because illegal entry has nearly stopped.

If you’re not interested in comparing two similar things then why did you bring up the topic of objectivity? 
 

Your list was made up of all subjective opinions. Can agree or disagree but no worthwhile conversation could be had from that. Because ‘nu uh’ is all you would need to say. 

[JimmySpeaks]

B+ for the orange man.  Securing the border and putting the skids on wokeness are why he was elected.  Both missions accomplished 

[jross]

It is fine to share opinions.  There is no objective grade.  

[jross]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Few things that jump out to me as complete failures and you gave good grades for

Dollar as world's reserve currency - F. 

End weaponization of government against people - you have a B and he also gets an F-. He's weaponizing the DOJ against his enemies. Investigating any Democrat that he can, based upon party. 

He also campaigned on keeping American out of wars and he gets an F- for that too. I don't know what the hell you give him for that. 

Just a few examples of why your analysis itself gets an F-

 

 

[A] The US Dollar is employed in 89% of foreign exchange transactions.

• https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2026/feb/us-dollar-role-as-reserve-currency

[B-] End weaponization of the government against people.  This is more subjective.  Trump said he was going to reverse abuses and issue pardons.  He did that.  The part where he gets docked is that holding those accountable for their abuses has poor optics. yet is necessary like three piece and soda.  I'd like to see more structural changes.

• https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-the-weaponization-of-the-federal-government/
• https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1388506/dl?inline
• https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-speech-libertarian-convention-washington-may-25-2024/#47:~:text=Since the day he,you. God bless you.
• https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/188253117356360122

 

[C] Prevent world war three, restore peace in Europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America.

We are not in world war three.  They have worked hard on Ukraine but it is not at peace.  Helped with peace in many places.  I'm a wishful-thinking non-interference person so I dislike Iran action but must wait for the outcome while also understanding peace through deterrence.   The iron defense is in progress.  The approach in Iran is what docks the grade.  Credit and partial credit and TBD...

So I can articulate the reason for my grades.

[mspart]

4 hours ago, red viking said:

 Investigating any Democrat that he can, based upon party. 

Where is the investigation of Pelosi, Schumer, Hakeem, Hirono etc?  He could but isn't.   

Your statement is false.   

mspart

[mspart]

4 hours ago, red viking said:

He also campaigned on keeping American out of wars and he gets an F- for that too. I don't know what the hell you give him for that. 

I can agree with this to an extent.   He has stated why he did this.   It seems pretty obvious he was right with Iran firing a missile at Diego Garcia, which shows, they had the capability to hit anywhere in Europe.   

You might wonder why NATO is now seemingly on board.   

mspart