lu_alum Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) No Sadulaev at 97kg. No Sidakov at 74kg. For now. Definitely No Uguev at 57kg. Official list as of 15-June (for all sports): https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes Wrestling Sixteen quota places (11 Male / 5 Female) for AINs with a Russian passport Ten quota places (7 Male / 3 Female) for AINs with a Belarusian passport Eligible and invited athletes with a Russian passport Nachin MONGUSH (MFS 57) Shamil MAMEDOV (MFS 65) Arslan BAGAEV (MFS 86) Abdulla KURBANOV (MFS 125) Alan OSTAEV (GR 87) Magomed MURTAZALIEV (GR 97) 5 Male Allocations Remain Natalya MALYSHEVA (WFS 53) Veronika CHUMIKOVA (WFS 57) Alina KASABIEVA (WFS 62) Elizaveta PETLIAKOVA (WFS 68) 1 Female Allocation Remains Eligible and invited athletes with a Belarusian passport Yahor AKULICH (MFS 74) Uladzislau KAZLOU (MFS 97) Abubakar KHASLAKHANAU (GR 97) Dzmitri ZARUBSKI (GR 130) 3 Male Allocations Remain Viyaleta REBIKAVA (WFS 53 - ?) She’s competed at 50, but BLR qualified 53. Krystsina SAZYKINA (WFS 62) 1 Female Allocation Remains This list will be updated in line with the decisions of the AINERP. Last update: 15 June 2024. Edited June 15 by lu_alum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I assume someone else qualified the spot of Saduleav but they can still sub in whomever they want? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: I assume someone else qualified the spot of Saduleav but they can still sub in whomever they want? Correct. Zhabrailov qualified 97 for RUS at the European Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Maybe Belarus can put in their President (aka dictator) Lukashenko at 74KG and Russia can put in "Blackbelt" tyrant Putin at 57KG. And then the rest of semi-free world can beat the crap out of these two authoritarians. Oh, throw in Kim Jung Un for North Korea at 125KG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaletail Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I guess the Belarussian (sp?) 74 that beat Dake so bad in '21 won't be in Paris either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 I guess the Belarussian (sp?) 74 that beat Dake so bad in '21 won't be in Paris either? Isn’t he into MMA now? Haven’t heard anything about Mahamedkhabib Kadzimahamedau since he lost his opening bout at 2023 Worlds. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaletail Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, lu_alum said: Isn’t he into MMA now? Haven’t heard anything about Mahamedkhabib Kadzimahamedau since he lost his opening bout at 2023 Worlds. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Forgot about that! Wrestling in the Olympics could obviously build his MMA brand, but not if he's out after one match. Don't think they'll let him in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOtoguro Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 5 hours ago, lu_alum said: Correct. Zhabrailov qualified 97 for RUS at the European Championships. European Olympic Qualifiers, not championships. Zhabrailov tries his luck at 125kg at the European Championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOtoguro Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Thankfully this lists isn't final, and not every wrestler that is planning to wrestle at the Olympics has had their search completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, KingOtoguro said: European Olympic Qualifiers, not championships. Zhabrailov tries his luck at 125kg at the European Championships Yes... I'm pretty sure you knew what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 There is nothing in the IOC release (https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes), nor in the UWW release (https://uww.org/article/ioc-announces-first-ains-2024-paris-olympics-16-wrestlers-eligible) that suggests that any more AINs will be added. And the permitted athletes listed are very specific and don't seem as if they can be replaced. Quotas earned by other AINs not ruled eligible by the IOC will be awarded to other NOCs (other nations), according to the verbiage in both releases. I don't understand where the information is coming from that suggests more athletes of this nature may be approved later? Past UWW protocols for replacing disqualified athletes would have meant taking the athlete that would have earned the disqualified athlete's place had they forfeited their matches. I don't know how they can determine those spots this time around, though, because there were no bronze medal matches at the continental qualifiers to determine "next-in-line". In Sidakov's case, Bayramov of Azerbaijan would be next-in-line from Worlds, but he earned the spot at Euros and next-in-line there can't be determined because he beat multiple people that never wrestled off for bronze. At 97, Zhabrailov also beat 3 different guys to earn the spot, and those 3 guys never wrestled each other to determine next-in-line either. Maybe they planned to automatically take 4th place from the world qualifiers, no matter what, in the case of drugs or other eligibility issues like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 hours ago, whaletail said: I guess the Belarussian (sp?) 74 that beat Dake so bad in '21 won't be in Paris either? 5 hours ago, lu_alum said: Isn’t he into MMA now? Haven’t heard anything about Mahamedkhabib Kadzimahamedau since he lost his opening bout at 2023 Worlds. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk He earned the spot at the Euro qualifier. He appears to be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 18 minutes ago, maligned said: I don't understand where the information is coming from that suggests more athletes of this nature may be approved later? I don't know anything about the nonsensical, corrupt, and inefficient practices that decide such things, but surely they would have occurred faster than this if something was gonna change...these people are lazy. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNWfan Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 13 hours ago, lu_alum said: No Sadulaev at 97kg. No Sidakov at 74kg. For now. Definitely No Uguev at 57kg. Official list as of 15-June (for all sports): https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes Wrestling Sixteen quota places (11 Male / 5 Female) for AINs with a Russian passport Ten quota places (7 Male / 3 Female) for AINs with a Belarusian passport Eligible and invited athletes with a Russian passport Nachin MONGUSH (MFS 57) Shamil MAMEDOV (MFS 65) Arslan BAGAEV (MFS 86) Abdulla KURBANOV (MFS 125) Alan OSTAEV (GR 87) Magomed MURTAZALIEV (GR 97) 5 Male Allocations Remain Natalya MALYSHEVA (WFS 53) Veronika CHUMIKOVA (WFS 57) Alina KASABIEVA (WFS 62) Elizaveta PETLIAKOVA (WFS 68) 1 Female Allocation Remains Eligible and invited athletes with a Belarusian passport Yahor AKULICH (MFS 74) Uladzislau KAZLOU (MFS 97) Abubakar KHASLAKHANAU (GR 97) Dzmitri ZARUBSKI (GR 130) 3 Male Allocations Remain Viyaleta REBIKAVA (WFS 53 - ?) She’s competed at 50, but BLR qualified 53. Krystsina SAZYKINA (WFS 62) 1 Female Allocation Remains This list will be updated in line with the decisions of the AINERP. Last update: 15 June 2024. Curious why you say definitely no Uguev? Has he been more outspoken in his support of the war? PNWfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 12 hours ago, PNWfan said: Curious why you say definitely no Uguev? Has he been more outspoken in his support of the war? The IOC listed Nachin Mongush as the AIN representative. If he's been cleared to compete in Paris as Russia's 57kg AIN, then I can only assume Uguev is not going to be the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 15 hours ago, maligned said: There is nothing in the IOC release (https://olympics.com/ioc/paris-2024-individual-neutral-athletes), nor in the UWW release (https://uww.org/article/ioc-announces-first-ains-2024-paris-olympics-16-wrestlers-eligible) that suggests that any more AINs will be added. And the permitted athletes listed are very specific and don't seem as if they can be replaced. Quotas earned by other AINs not ruled eligible by the IOC will be awarded to other NOCs (other nations), according to the verbiage in both releases. I don't understand where the information is coming from that suggests more athletes of this nature may be approved later? Past UWW protocols for replacing disqualified athletes would have meant taking the athlete that would have earned the disqualified athlete's place had they forfeited their matches. I don't know how they can determine those spots this time around, though, because there were no bronze medal matches at the continental qualifiers to determine "next-in-line". In Sidakov's case, Bayramov of Azerbaijan would be next-in-line from Worlds, but he earned the spot at Euros and next-in-line there can't be determined because he beat multiple people that never wrestled off for bronze. At 97, Zhabrailov also beat 3 different guys to earn the spot, and those 3 guys never wrestled each other to determine next-in-line either. Maybe they planned to automatically take 4th place from the world qualifiers, no matter what, in the case of drugs or other eligibility issues like this. This is the part of the release that leaves the door open for future additions to the list: "This list will be updated in line with the decisions of the AINERP. Last update: 15 June 2024." If they do add replacement athletes, I'd like to see Chamizo get a bid at 74kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I sort of hate this taking political view points out of it I just want to be able to watch the best guys compete. I also want both Kyles to get their chance at getting a loss back as well as seeing the United States beat a full strength Russia which I think we can do. Ultimately it does not feel as legitimate without the best guys in the field so I'll be hoping Sidakov and Sadulaev are allowed to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not the Real Scribe Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 All this confuses the hell out of me. Why are Sidakov and Sadulaev not allowed to compete, while other Russians can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 15 minutes ago, Not the Real Scribe said: All this confuses the hell out of me. Why are Sidakov and Sadulaev not allowed to compete, while other Russians can? Them being present at 'Pro War' events. More importantly, the simplicity in proving that they were present via photos circulating on the internet of them at the said 'Pro War' events. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I don't think they should allow substitutions at all. Let's not forget that Russa and Belarus are banned. You can disagree with them being banned, but as a matter of principle, when a country is banned from the Olympics, they don't have any rights. That includes the right to swap in some other athlete if the athlete they put forth isn't accepted as an AIN. The *only* ones with rights are the individual athletes -- specifically, the athletes that would be attending from that country, except for the ban on the country. The second, third, fourth and fifth alternates of that country don't have any rights, since they didn't lose an opportunity to compete that they otherwise would have had. If you allow Russia/Belarus to keep on swapping in other athletes, that is tantamount to saying they are allowed to assemble a "team." But they don't get to have a team. That's the point of the ban. If Russia was smart, they would have done their own vetting, not allowing athletes who were knee-deep in Russian pro-invasion propaganda to compete for an Olympic spot. Instead they're acting like they're still in the Olympics, putting forth invasion apologists in the hope they'll get to keep putting alternates forward until the IOC deems someone acceptable. But why should they? It is totally inconsistent with the ban. As a wrestling fan, I'd selfishly like to see Russia's best on the mat so we can beat them, but logically I can't justify it. Next time, don't grab other countries' land or, if you do, only serve up AINs who aren't connected to or defenders of governmental misdeeds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of the Quakers Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Everybody is getting what they deserve here. The AINs were the IOC's silly solution to the harder decision they wanted to avoid - whether to exclude an entire country from the Olympics due to non-sporting/political events, in this case Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Thus, the ridiculous concept of Russia and Belarus sending wrestlers to the Euro qualifier with a wink and a nod that they were from Russia and Belarus but wouldn't actually be representing Russia and Belarus. On the flip side, the AINs allowed Putin and Lukashenko to act like everything was normal and that they could send their best athletes with the assumption that would all be cleared after qualification. Then, Ukraine called the IOC's bluff and demanded Sadulaev's exclusion from the Euro qualifiers. I doubt Sadulaev is more or less invested in the invasion of Ukraine that any of the other Russian wrestlers despite his friendship with Kadyrov - the Chechen wrestlers seem to keep their focus close to home, and if Putin calls you probably respond because you don't want your family to be thrown off of the top of a skyscraper - but Ukraine knew they would put a spotlight on the issue with the callout for Sadulaev. So here we are. All of this nonsense when the easier decision would've been for the IOC to expel Russia years ago given the rampant state-supported doping program uncovered during the Sochi games - a ban that would've put the focus on the sporting competition and not world politics. How do people this stupid get to be in charge of anything? At the end, I hope Bey gets a shot at a quota. 3 2 Dan McDonald, Penn '93 danmc167@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, Voice of the Quakers said: the easier decision would've been for the IOC to expel Russia years ago given the rampant state-supported doping program uncovered during the Sochi games Probably contaminated meat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Is this AIN situation occurring is other Olympic sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Is this AIN situation occurring is other Olympic sports? Yes.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 was not sure if this would go in mma or here Ill probably make a thread in mma as well but sidakov will not be training for Paris he is transitioning to mma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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