Kasak versus SVN next year

[Truzzcat]

  On 3/31/2024 at 11:26 PM, CHROMEBIRD said:

Does Nagao want to bump up to 141 next year? I thought making 133 wasn't so easy for him.

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in his first season at Minnesota (2021) that he did not wrestle, wrestle stat had him listed as a 141 and then he started the year at 141 during his red shirt season before going down. Being a few years removed from that I would assume the cut is rather difficult which could be a reason for his lackluster year. I'm not sure he has another option to make the lineup besides going 133 though unless they opt to red shirt kasak which could be possible seems like a similar situation to zain after his true freshman year. even at 133 though I don't know that his position is safe if Lilledahl wants to go right away that could bump Davis up to 133 or vice versa.

[Winners Circle]

  On 3/31/2024 at 9:49 PM, flyingcement said:

Bubba Jenkins

Nick Suriano

Michael Beard

Tony Negron

Jarrod Verkleeren

Seth Nevills

 

 

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  On 3/31/2024 at 9:51 PM, flyingcement said:

Teske! I knew I missed one 

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Only three of these guys were AA's...and only two of them finished higher than the Penn State athlete at their weight.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2024 at 2:34 PM, Winners Circle said:

 

Only three of these guys were AA's...and only two of them finished higher than the Penn State athlete at their weight.

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You are being a tad selective with your list of achievements. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

  On 3/31/2024 at 8:36 PM, Caveira said:

Injuries only occur in the Iowa room I thought.   This sounds sus 

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Is it safe to say they aren't doing a great job managing their athletes' health? SVN, Howard, etc.?

Heck, Starocci may have won it, but seems to be headed to maybe his third surgery in a year.

[Winners Circle]

  On 4/1/2024 at 2:34 PM, Winners Circle said:

 

Only three of these guys were AA's...and only two of them finished higher than the Penn State athlete at their weight.

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  On 4/1/2024 at 2:52 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are being a tad selective with your list of achievements. 

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Sorry, actually only two outplaced their PSU counterpart. Bubba & Suriano. I thought Beard had outplaced Dean in 2023, but he did not. 

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[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2024 at 3:23 PM, Winners Circle said:

 

Sorry, actually only two outplaced their PSU counterpart. Bubba & Suriano. I thought Beard had outplaced Dean in 2023, but he did not. 

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Are you sure that is all Jenkins and Suriano did? Just outplaced?

[Caveira]

  On 4/1/2024 at 3:21 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Is it safe to say they aren't doing a great job managing their athletes' health? SVN, Howard, etc.?

Heck, Starocci may have won it, but seems to be headed to maybe his third surgery in a year.

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Just joking about the blue colored glasses people on this board that don’t see anything other than their Iowa hatred.  
 

I’m shocked 0 discussion occurred about Cstar’s wrestling IQ in injuring himself.   Secured the tech fall…. Against a team they beat what like 43-0 (I didn’t look it up).  Putting your knee in that position is pretty silly if you think about it.  Take the tech and move on.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2024 at 4:06 PM, Caveira said:

Just joking about the blue colored glasses people on this board that don’t see anything other than their Iowa hatred.  
 

I’m shocked 0 discussion occurred about Cstar’s wrestling IQ in injuring himself.   Secured the tech fall…. Against a team they beat what like 43-0 (I didn’t look it up).  Putting your knee in that position is pretty silly if you think about it.  Take the tech and move on.   

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I have read many people say Starocci put his knee in that position, but when I watched the match it looked like Arnold took Starocci's foot across his body with his hand before rolling into the knee. I am not saying it was intentional, just that it did not look like Starocci put himself in that position. However, I cannot any video, so there is that.

[CHROMEBIRD]

  On 4/1/2024 at 12:54 AM, Truzzcat said:

in his first season at Minnesota (2021) that he did not wrestle, wrestle stat had him listed as a 141 and then he started the year at 141 during his red shirt season before going down. Being a few years removed from that I would assume the cut is rather difficult which could be a reason for his lackluster year. I'm not sure he has another option to make the lineup besides going 133 though unless they opt to red shirt kasak which could be possible seems like a similar situation to zain after his true freshman year. even at 133 though I don't know that his position is safe if Lilledahl wants to go right away that could bump Davis up to 133 or vice versa.

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Yeah, I think Davis was originally projected as a 133 when he committed. Nagao could get squeezed out of the lineup if LL or Kasak don't want to RS. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

  On 4/1/2024 at 5:38 PM, CHROMEBIRD said:

Yeah, I think Davis was originally projected as a 133 when he committed. Nagao could get squeezed out of the lineup if LL or Kasak don't want to RS. 

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Poor Nagao...

[flyingcement]

  On 4/1/2024 at 6:37 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Poor Nagao...

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He will get paid his NIL and have a great practice room.  If he wanted to be a starter above all else, going to Penn State might not have been a wise choice.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

  On 4/1/2024 at 6:42 PM, flyingcement said:

He will get paid his NIL and have a great practice room.  If he wanted to be a starter above all else, going to Penn State might not have been a wise choice.

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Backups get NIL?  If so, PSU has wayyyy more money than even the haters have speculated.  Thought they were supposed to be short term deals?

[flyingcement]

  On 4/1/2024 at 6:45 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Backups get NIL?  If so, PSU has wayyyy more money than even the haters have speculated.  Thought they were supposed to be short term deals?

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it all depends on the terms of his NIL I suppose.  Penn State and Minnesota are both good school so he gets a quality education either way.  I haven't been able to identify the exact terms of NIL deals though so not sure how they are working typically

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[KennyEBHS]

Forget NIL and everything about money. This tread is about wrestling skill, not money. I am trying to compare the skills of both and what might happen in the room. To expand, in my mind SVN is a brawler who has good enough skills to wear an opponent down then finish him off. I believe Kasak is a more skilled young wrestler who does not rely on brute force.

[Threadkilla]

  On 4/1/2024 at 7:14 PM, KennyEBHS said:

Forget NIL and everything about money. This tread is about wrestling skill, not money. I am trying to compare the skills of both and what might happen in the room. To expand, in my mind SVN is a brawler who has good enough skills to wear an opponent down then finish him off. I believe Kasak is a more skilled young wrestler who does not rely on brute force.

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They are probably interchangeable at thia point.  Both are multidimensional wrestlers. I don't know that either is more skilled or more of a brawler than the other.  Both are very physical.  Kasak horsed his way through the backside and is highly skilled being one of DT's star pupils like Haines.   SVN is as slick as they come.  Either one will be ranked #2 to start next year, and Henson won't be a big favorite over either one.  

[pokemonster]

  On 3/31/2024 at 10:47 PM, 1032004 said:

Done wrestling.  Basch seemed to imply it on one of his pods, and you know Bartlett is one of “his guys.”  It seemed highly likely if he won, but still a decent possibility even if he didn’t.

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Good, nobody wants to see those boring stall tactics anymore. 

[hlstone]

  On 4/1/2024 at 6:45 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Backups get NIL?  If so, PSU has wayyyy more money than even the haters have speculated.  Thought they were supposed to be short term deals?

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My kid is a backup Field hockey player and gets a little NIL $. 

[Elevator]

  On 4/3/2024 at 11:55 AM, hlstone said:

My kid is a backup Field hockey player and gets a little NIL $. 

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My kid won co-ed intramural rec soccer tourney (3 v 3) and so far nothing on NIL - but the team did get a sweet champions t-shirt!  Would like to see NIL spread downstream!

[NitneLiun]

I heard Penn State is willing to trade Nagao back to Minnesota for a box of used  but serviceable jock straps and wrestling shoes.  It wouldn't have to be a large box.