Has there ever been...

[Nittany]

...a #1 seed take 8th or a #7 seed take 1st?  I'm guessing yes, but has to be prior to 2010.

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, Nittany said:

...a #1 seed take 8th or a #7 seed take 1st?  I'm guessing yes, but has to be prior to 2010.

#7 seeds who took 1st

#1 seeds who took 8th

Edited February 29 by Wrestleknownothing

[jchapman]

yes

[Nittany]

Thanks!

[Southend]

With the updated rankings process, might never happen again, 7 taking 1. 

[Paul158]

10 minutes ago, Nittany said:

Thanks!

In 1979 Andy Daniels from Ohio University was unseeded at 118 pinned John Azevedo in 30 seconds to win The NCAA title. Andy wrestled at an inner-city high school in Akron ,Ohio. His senior year at 98 pounds he finished 6th in the state. My high school competed against his school. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, Southend said:

With the updated rankings process, might never happen again, 7 taking 1. 

It has almost happened 12 of the last 22 tournaments, including last year.

If only it was horseshoes or hand grenades.

[Southend]

I’m saying that rating processes have improved, but far from being a perfect metric. 

[CHROMEBIRD]

Ben Kjar came close too, was unseeded (I believe) and lost a close one to Robles in the semis

[forkemaz]

7 minutes ago, Southend said:

I’m saying that rating processes have improved, but far from being a perfect metric. 

No room for hyperbole when you're dealing with knowsnothing. He brings the the goods with precision.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Pretty wild to think that the last 13 times a #7 seed has made the final, they have lost.

Until you realize that all 13 times the #7 hit the #1 in the final.

For the #7 to win (or #10, etc), they really need the #1 to get knocked off first.

[Southend]

30 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

If only it was horseshoes or hand grenades.

 

 

18 minutes ago, forkemaz said:

No room for hyperbole when you're dealing with knowsnothing. He brings the the goods with precision.

I agree. Do you?

[forkemaz]

7 minutes ago, Southend said:

 

I agree. Do you?

I'm not sure what you are asking me. I agree with knowsnothing here. You said something was likely to never happen again and he gave you data showing that scenario is very often hanging in the balance and is basically a coin flip probability at the point the 7 seed is in the finals not accounting for the other wrestler in any way.

Edited February 29 by forkemaz

[PortaJohn]

26 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Pretty wild to think that the last 13 times a #7 seed has made the final, they have lost.

Until you realize that all 13 times the #7 hit the #1 in the final.

For the #7 to win (or #10, etc), they really need the #1 to get knocked off first.

Still waiting for you to create a thread or respond in someone else's showing Simpson's Paradox

Edited February 29 by PortaJohn

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Still waiting for you to create a thread or respond in someone else's showing Simpson's Paradox

I was going to post a pic of Bart writing on the chalkboard "Simpson's paradox isn't mine", but I ran out of disc space. C'est la vie.

In the meantime I am worried about my fitted data from the other day. I clearly overstated the probability of #7 winning. More about path dependency than faulty causal inferences.

[CHROMEBIRD]

49 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

For the #7 to win (or #10, etc), they really need the #1 to get knocked off first.

Doesn't the 7 go on the bottom side? Seems they'd need the 2 & 3 to go down. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Also anyone know off the top of their head what seed was Mekhi Lewis when he won it his freshman year? I remember him being seeded in the 7-11 range

[Gus]

1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Doesn't the 7 go on the bottom side? Seems they'd need the 2 & 3 to go down. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment.

The 7 seed has made the finals 12 times since 01 and has faced the #1 seed every time and lost. Thus, the 7 seed needs someone on the top side to knock off the 1 seed so they can beat a lower seed in the finals. 

[Gus]

1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Also anyone know off the top of their head what seed was Mekhi Lewis when he won it his freshman year? I remember him being seeded in the 7-11 range

8. Beat the 1 seed marinelli 

[CHROMEBIRD]

40 minutes ago, Gus said:

The 7 seed has made the finals 12 times since 01 and has faced the #1 seed every time and lost. Thus, the 7 seed needs someone on the top side to knock off the 1 seed so they can beat a lower seed in the finals. 

Ah, thanks. I mistakenly got into thinking about why more 7s weren't making the finals and got caught up with "first" having to knock out the #1.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I was going to post a pic of Bart writing on the chalkboard "Simpson's paradox isn't mine", but I ran out of disc space. C'est la vie.

In the meantime I am worried about my fitted data from the other day. I clearly overstated the probability of #7 winning. More about path dependency than faulty causal inferences.

No matter what anyone tells you, your model isn't ugly.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Edited February 29 by PortaJohn

[Fadzaev2]

4 hours ago, Paul158 said:

In 1979 Andy Daniels from Ohio University was unseeded at 118 pinned John Azevedo in 30 seconds to win The NCAA title. Andy wrestled at an inner-city high school in Akron ,Ohio. His senior year at 98 pounds he finished 6th in the state. My high school competed against his school. 

I witnessed it....the reaction was ......WOW, and near the top of this page the question was asked about 7th seeds taking first.....well, the year Daniels won it a 118, Kenny Mallory won it at 134 and was the 8th seed.  He beat Frank DeAngelis in the finals who was unseeded.

[Paul158]

2 hours ago, Fadzaev2 said:

I witnessed it....the reaction was ......WOW, and near the top of this page the question was asked about 7th seeds taking first.....well, the year Daniels won it a 118, Kenny Mallory won it at 134 and was the 8th seed.  He beat Frank DeAngelis in the finals who was unseeded.

Are you going to the NCAA's this year. Was Mallory a Div. !! wrestler ?

[whaletail]

7 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Ben Kjar came close too, was unseeded (I believe) and lost a close one to Robles in the semis

He gave Robles his toughest match of the tourney that year, and may have even managed to get away from bottom.

[Fadzaev2]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

Are you going to the NCAA's this year. Was Mallory a Div. !! wrestler ?

I'm always at NCAA's....#45, 39 in row, and Mallory was D2 (Montclair State)....his coach was Jim Peckham, who along with Bill Wieck (Mt. Carmel,ILL.) coached some of the USA teams in the early 70's.