Idaho Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I believe these rankings were sent in before matches that happened that would have changed them (i.e. Ramos over Ayala). As mentioned, because of results, number of matches, etc. the first two are usually way off. Sponsored by INTERMAT
MPhillips Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: 1) they were turned in last friday and not released until after an enormous batch of results 2) you have to have 8 matches to get ranked 3) the coaches have to designate the correct 'starter' or you can't vote for them. @Idaho Edited January 22 by MPhillips .
Southend Posted January 22 Posted January 22 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: These rankings are trash in so many areas... Huhhh? We have to have rankings! Who better to analyze talent?
jdalu75 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Penn State wrestled Michigan State yesterday. WrestleStat shows Starocci at 6-0, Truax at 7-1, Brooks at 8-0, and Kerkvliet at 7-0. Eight matches at weight are needed for a CP ranking, so it appears that Truax and Brooks qualify. So it appears that the coaches didn't vote on rankings in the middle of the night, and Sunday's results (at least) weren't counted. In previous years the rankings were released on Thursdays; I was surprised to see them this morning. There's a chance we see revised rankings later in the week.
MPhillips Posted January 22 Posted January 22 15 minutes ago, jdalu75 said: So it appears that the coaches didn't vote on rankings in the middle of the night, and Sunday's results (at least) weren't counted. They voted Friday... .
jdalu75 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: They voted Friday... Begs the question: Why?
SetonHallPirate Posted January 22 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, jdalu75 said: Begs the question: Why? Because, ummmm, uhhhh…HEY, LOOK, A PUPPY! 1
jdalu75 Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Would streamline matters if we had only one thread on this issue. 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 22 Posted January 22 You must be new around here. This is a @Jimmy Cinnabon specialty. He won't post in someone else's thread. He always has to start his own thread even when there is one that already exists. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
WrestlingRash Posted January 22 Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/files/24_D1Men_Ranking1_Top33[99].pdf Penn State only has 4 wrestlers in the ranking and 0 ranked #1. 125 Ayala 131 Crookham 141 Woods 149 Lovett 157 Franek 165 O'Toole 174 Ruth 184 Keckeisen 197 Hidlay HWT Hendrickson I would prefer a ranking of the actual coaches. Obviously Cael is best, but the list would be interesting.
Tigerfan Posted January 23 Posted January 23 12 hours ago, WrestlingRash said: I would prefer a ranking of the actual coaches. Obviously Cael is best, but the list would be interesting. Career-wise maybe, but strictly this year, up to this point, Cael certainly would not warrant the #1 spot. They started the year projected to annihilate the field, but injuries and lackluster performances in a light schedule with a steadily shrinking projected points doesn’t scream coach of the year. There are several other coaches who appear to be doing much better with less talent. Seems like A-LR, Navy, OkSt, and a few others are exceeding expectations rather than diminishing them.
1032004 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 19 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: idk thats what i'm asking. Right not you could have any three random forum contributors could do better. They do count for seeding, so yes they matter. But I don’t understand why they won’t just use one of the services or at least aggregate them. I may be misremembering, but wasn’t there something last year where a coach left RBY off the rankings even though he was eligible?
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 23 Posted January 23 29 minutes ago, 1032004 said: They do count for seeding, so yes they matter. But I don’t understand why they won’t just use one of the services or at least aggregate them. I may be misremembering, but wasn’t there something last year where a coach left RBY off the rankings even though he was eligible? You are not mis-remembering. Two coaches left him off. The story from the NCAA was that they were using an old list, or some such. There was someone else who was also affected, though I don't recal who. It really illustrated that the coaches do not place as high a priority about getting it right for other teams as they do for their own. Which is also an argument for you suggestion of using Intermat, Flo, etc. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted January 23 Posted January 23 19 hours ago, Southend said: Huhhh? We have to have rankings! Who better to analyze talent? Why do we need rankings, Jimmy already put out seeds. 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
Southend Posted January 23 Posted January 23 34 minutes ago, ionel said: Why do we need rankings, Jimmy already put out seeds. Got it . 10-4
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