Climate Hoax

[ThreePointTakedown]

Take your info from non-wrestling related forum threads. Don't listen to the VAST majority of climate scientists. 

People coupling their identities with denying the 'truth' from the other side, like men in masks, cannot be trusted. 

[Plasmodium]

They are irrationally afraid of losing their creature comforts.

[mspart]

  On 11/27/2023 at 4:14 PM, Plasmodium said:

They are irrationally afraid of losing their creature comforts.

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I've already addressed this.  The logical conclusion is to go back to how life was lived 200+ years ago.   A world that is not recognizable today.   Creature comforts such as medical magic to keep people alive, the end of small pox, near end to polio, leprosy, etc etc.   Those will be gone because there won't be the infrastructure to make those important life saving medicines.   This with the inevitable catastrophic loss of life due to lack of basic needful things.  

Yes, I suppose we could call those creature comforts. 

mspart

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:01 PM, mspart said:

I've already addressed this.  The logical conclusion is to go back to how life was lived 200+ years ago.   A world that is not recognizable today.   Creature comforts such as medical magic to keep people alive, the end of small pox, near end to polio, leprosy, etc etc.   Those will be gone because there won't be the infrastructure to make those important life saving medicines.   This with the inevitable catastrophic loss of life due to lack of basic needful things.  

Yes, I suppose we could call those creature comforts. 

mspart

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You are irrationally afraid of losing those.

[mspart]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:08 PM, Plasmodium said:

You are irrationally afraid of losing those.

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So you are rationally afraid of losing those?   Or are you rationally optimistic to losing those?   I'm not sure what else to interpret from your statement. 

mspart

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:21 PM, mspart said:

So you are rationally afraid of losing those?   Or are you rationally optimistic to losing those?   I'm not sure what else to interpret from your statement. 

mspart

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I'm telling you life will move forward, energy sources will change AND you will not lose heat to your house.

Anyway, is this most definitely not a reason to deny climate change.

[mspart]

That is if we do this in a smart way.   Axing petrol before a viable solution is available is not a solution.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/01/why-the-ev-boom-could-put-a-major-strain-on-our-power-grid.html

 

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

We are going to get rid of 60.4% of energy production from Fossil fuels.   Around here hydropower is what we rely on mostly but they want to tear the dams down for the salmon.   Puget Sound Orcas only eat salmon you know.   Yeah right. 

But again, to appease the CO2 alarmists, going back 250 years ago is the only thing that will do it. 

mspart

[Plasmodium]

Orcas or not, climate change is reality.

[Husker_Du]

is man made climate change real because you said so? 

[mspart]

  On 11/27/2023 at 10:10 PM, Plasmodium said:

Orcas or not, climate change is reality.

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The climate has always been changing.   So yes it is a reality.   But at what point would you draw the line at risking what I have already laid out (irrationally I might add) including people's lives?

It's not just conveniences that would go away.   It would take us back to an agrarian lifestyle where the majority grows food.   It's the logical conclusion to the hysteria that I'm talking about.   If there is another conclusion, please share.   Right now there is no solution for fossil fuel right now.   Solar and wind won't do it.   Nuclear will, but that will be a sea parting to get that done.   And with EVs becoming the way of the future, there will not be enough electricity to run everything.   I'm not seeing any other logical conclusion than going back to 1700's.  Or, start getting more efficient with the energy that we already have.   Like hybrids and LED lights. 

mspart

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/27/2023 at 10:44 PM, Husker_Du said:

is man made climate change real because you said so? 

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You must be living in a rapidly disappearing snow cave!

[Husker_Du]

i can't imagine being such a sheep

 

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/28/2023 at 12:43 AM, Husker_Du said:

i can't imagine being such a sheep

 

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Another flex from the "That doesn't mean I think it means" captain of the universe!

[Husker_Du]

I'm literally not coming out of the house until the climate crisis is solved. i'm paralyzed with fear over the future of this planet.

 

also this:

 

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/28/2023 at 10:48 AM, Husker_Du said:

I'm literally not coming out of the house until the climate crisis is solved. i'm paralyzed with fear over the future of this planet.

 

also this:

 

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Do what makes you make comfortable, including posting the equivalent of "Global warming is a hoax, FFS it is cold outside".

Bet you wouldn't be so smug if you lived in Kiribati.

[Offthemat]

  On 11/28/2023 at 2:38 PM, Plasmodium said:

Do what makes you make comfortable, including posting the equivalent of "Global warming is a hoax, FFS it is cold outside".

Bet you wouldn't be so smug if you lived in Kiribati.

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Obama doesn’t believe you.  He’s spent millions on two oceanfront properties since leaving the White House.  He doesn’t believe you and neither do I. 

[Plasmodium]

  On 11/28/2023 at 3:38 PM, Offthemat said:

Obama doesn’t believe you.  He’s spent millions on two oceanfront properties since leaving the White House.  He doesn’t believe you and neither do I. 

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He has a lot of millions to blow.   I bet you bought all of his books.

[Offthemat]

  On 11/28/2023 at 4:13 PM, Plasmodium said:

He has a lot of millions to blow.   I bet you bought all of his books.

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Evidently you’ve got a little blow, yourself.  Maybe not as much as Obama, but it’s yours.  

[mspart]

Plasi makes a good point.   He is saying climate change is real, man is making the difference, and just wait, it will all get better.   Things will work out.   Not to worry.   

Plasi is not paralyzed by the rhetoric.   He is optimistic that a solution will be found.   I tend to agree with him on that.   But if you listen to the climate alarmists, we must go back to the 1500's to come out of this mess. 

mspart

[Offthemat]

  On 11/28/2023 at 8:01 PM, mspart said:

Plasi is not paralyzed by the rhetoric.   He is optimistic that a solution will be found.   I tend to agree with him on that.  

mspart

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A solution to what?

[ionel]

  On 11/28/2023 at 2:38 PM, Plasmodium said:

Do what makes you make comfortable, including posting the equivalent of "Global warming is a hoax ..l

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but I thought it was, hence why they agreed to switch to climate change.  

[mspart]

  On 11/28/2023 at 11:03 PM, Offthemat said:

A solution to what?

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I believe he is optimistic that a solution will be found to fossil fuel driven energy use from cars to power plants to home heating and farm machinery.  Some other "thing" will provide the energy needed.  Perhaps fusion or small fission reactors, or more efficient solar and wind (terrible idea really), or something out of the blue that we haven't considered yet.  

For instance a power cell that converts H2 to H2O would be the most obvious CO2 friendly thing to do but there is not much push for that.   Fusion that converts H2 to He would be really good too, but proof of that pudding is decades and decades away.   We have the former, why not use it?   They use them to power huge tractors and such. 

mspart

 

[ionel]

  On 11/29/2023 at 12:47 AM, mspart said:

I believe he is optimistic that a solution will be found to fossil fuel driven energy use from cars to power plants to home heating and farm machinery.  Some other "thing" will provide the energy needed.  Perhaps fusion or small fission reactors, or more efficient solar and wind (terrible idea really), or something out of the blue that we haven't considered yet.  

For instance a power cell that converts H2 to H2O would be the most obvious CO2 friendly thing to do but there is not much push for that.   Fusion that converts H2 to He would be really good too, but proof of that pudding is decades and decades away.   We have the former, why not use it?   They use them to power huge tractors and such. 

mspart

 

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The Force, why don't we just use The Force?  

[Offthemat]

  On 11/29/2023 at 12:43 AM, ionel said:

but I thought it was, hence why they agreed to switch to climate change.  

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That’s right, turns out it was maybe even cooling a little.  But still, I want to be the first on the block to get a nuclear super-duty dually.  Or is it duelly?

[Offthemat]