Any day now we should reach the critical mass of gun ownership by "law-abiding citizens" where we become safe

[Mike Parrish]

4 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

So you don't know what you point is? Are is rude sarcasm your natural instinct. 

It’s entirely situational and varies by the square of the malignancy of the opponent. 

[El Luchador]

5 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said:

It’s simple. 
 

You have made several assertions. 
 

You have been asked to supply supporting evidence. 
 

You have refused and tried to shift the burden of proof. 
 

I have provided you an article explaining that what you attempted is a logical fallacy. 

You appear to be unhappy about being called out for being this dishonest  

You continue to writhe around like a night crawler on a fishing hook. 

I provided the source of the CDC study that Colion breaks down in his analysis of the study.  Now tell me where he lied or STFU. I can go around like this all week. I'm  call you out on your bullshit. If you call a guy a liar you need proof. Give me proof. I stand by the data that you call a lie. Should be easy. Put your money where your mouth is or admit defeat. 

[Mike Parrish]

Just now, El Luchador said:

I provided the source of the CDC study that Colion breaks down in his analysis of the study.  Now tell me where he lied or STFU. I can go around like this all week. I'm  call you out on your bullshit. If you call a guy a liar you need proof. Give me proof. I stand by the data that you call a lie. Should be easy. Put your money where your mouth is or admit defeat. 

Try reading the Burden of Proof article. 

[El Luchador]

9 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said:

It’s entirely situational and varies by the square of the malignancy of the opponent. 

Still admiring yourself?  

[Mike Parrish]

Just now, El Luchador said:

Still admiring yourself?  

You do make me look good by comparison. 
 

 

[El Luchador]

Just now, Mike Parrish said:

Try reading the Burden of Proof article. 

Well being that I did post the research,  your point is moot. Now dive in and prove your assertion of lies. I'll bet you don't. 

[El Luchador]

2 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said:

You do make me look good by comparison. 
 

 

My auto correct may, but it isn't from your merit. 

Edited May 7, 2023 by El Luchador

[BerniePragle]

32 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

So it should be super easy to state a specific statement that isn't true. You don't get to make assertion  of a lie and not say what the lie or truth  is. Seams like the short and easy way to settle it. Just provide the facts. Spoiler alert,  it won't happen,  but you guys will continue to attack the source and have no merit behind your assertion. When you call someone out you better know something.

If you are actually interested in learning something about Classical Logic, the non-NRA sort, so you don't look so foolish:

An original short story by Lewis Carrol: 
https://web.mat.upc.edu/rafael.cubarsi/intro/What the Tortoise Said to Achilles.pdf

The distilled version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Tortoise_Said_to_Achilles

Note: Lewis Carrol's real name was Charles Lutwidge Dodgson.  He was a respected mathematician and one of the preeminent logicians in history.  I realize that doesn't compare to having a YouTube channel, but...

[Mike Parrish]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Well being that I did post the research,  your point is moot. Now dive in and prove your assertion of lies. I'll bet you don't. 

Ah, the most clever, “You won’t!” gambit. 

[Mike Parrish]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

My auto correct may, but it isn't from your merit. 

Humor is highly correlated with intelligence. 
 

Perhaps there’s a funny middle schooler who can help you along. 

[El Luchador]

Just now, Mike Parrish said:

Humor is highly correlated with intelligence. 
 

Perhaps there’s a funny middle schooler who can help you along. 

When your "humor" is based on belittling other it also says a lot about you.

[El Luchador]

5 minutes ago, BerniePragle said:

If you are actually interested in learning something about Classical Logic, the non-NRA sort, so you don't look so foolish:

An original short story by Lewis Carrol: 
https://web.mat.upc.edu/rafael.cubarsi/intro/What the Tortoise Said to Achilles.pdf

The distilled version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Tortoise_Said_to_Achilles

Note: Lewis Carrol's real name was Charles Lutwidge Dodgson.  He was a respected mathematician and one of the preeminent logicians in history.  I realize that doesn't compare to having a YouTube channel, but...

This isn't a discussion on logic ,it's about gun control.  Now claims we're made about lies being told. List the lies and the truth.  Simple request.  If you know enough to say something is a lie it should be because you know the truth. So stating both should be easy. Now make another irrelevant point to keep from being responsible for your words. 

[Mike Parrish]

7 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

When your "humor" is based on belittling other it also says a lot about you.

Just you. 

[BerniePragle]

14 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

This isn't a discussion on logic ,it's about gun control.  Now claims we're made about lies being told. List the lies and the truth.  Simple request.  If you know enough to say something is a lie it should be because you know the truth. So stating both should be easy. Now make another irrelevant point to keep from being responsible for your words. 

Yeah, boy.  From your standpoint, I can certainly see how this is true.  One of my (original) sayings seems apropos here:   There are people for whom Logic is not a close friend.  Not even a casual acquaintance.  Deal me out.

“There's none so blind as they that won't see.”

― Jonathan Swift

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, BerniePragle said:

Yeah, boy.  From your standpoint, I can certainly see how this is true.  One of my (original) sayings seems apropos here:   There are people for whom Logic is not a close friend.  Not even a casual acquaintance.  Deal me out.

“There's none so blind as they that won't see.”

― Jonathan Swift

So nothing to  add? Just self aggrandizing.  

So let's summarize this thread. It is logical to make an accusation, and not back it up with any specifics. Then put the burden of proof on the guy who you say is lying but not tell them what they're lying about and there for can't prove it isn't a lie, then talk about Logic and burden of proof. Then fluff each other as if you guys just rocked it. 

[Plasmodium]

12 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Is her life more valuable than mine? If a bad thing justifies all regulation then are you prepared to give up all rights? Or do you just want other to give up theirs?

In a manner of speaking it is.  We are partially responsible for her well being.  2A rights are limited like everything in life.  Time to impose limits.

[El Luchador]

2 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

In a manner of speaking it is.  We are partially responsible for her well being.  2A rights are limited like everything in life.  Time to impose limits.

We have limits. We also have rights. Freedom requires responsibility.  If you take guns away you will be as successful as the war on drugs and the people will be victims at a much higher rate. We know this from the huge amount of self defense uses of guns that will result in more harm not less when taken away. We also know a government that doesn't fear it citizens doesn't need to consider them. You will be ruled not represented. 

[Plasmodium]

11 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

We have limits. We also have rights. Freedom requires responsibility.  If you take guns away you will be as successful as the war on drugs and the people will be victims at a much higher rate. We know this from the huge amount of self defense uses of guns that will result in more harm not less when taken away. We also know a government that doesn't fear it citizens doesn't need to consider them. You will be ruled not represented. 

There is space between no guns and sane, federal laws.  We have enough people giving up their representation due to gerrymandering and campaign financing,  we wouldn't want more of that.

We can all agree we need fewer slaughtered innocents.

[VakAttack]

20 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

We have limits. We also have rights. Freedom requires responsibility.  If you take guns away you will be as successful as the war on drugs and the people will be victims at a much higher rate. We know this from the huge amount of self defense uses of guns that will result in more harm not less when taken away. We also know a government that doesn't fear it citizens doesn't need to consider them. You will be ruled not represented. 

Yeah, that's why gun violence happens at the same rate worldwide.

[Mike Parrish]

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

We have limits. We also have rights. Freedom requires responsibility.  If you take guns away you will be as successful as the war on drugs and the people will be victims at a much higher rate. We know this from the huge amount of self defense uses of guns that will result in more harm not less when taken away. We also know a government that doesn't fear it citizens doesn't need to consider them. You will be ruled not represented. 

Is there physical pain associated with your attempts at cognition?

[Bigbrog]

This whole thread is completely asinine and so disingenuous it hurts my head.  Between the name calling and the "post your proof"..."no you post your proof"...and my favorite..."that isn't true because they don't list their source".  All of these types of statements are indicative of people not wanting to have an open and honest conversation.  Was just talking about this with my son and parents yesterday...people seriously don't want to have open and honest conversations about guns and mass murder.  We all are fed the opinions about guns and murders by completely and 100% biased information...and no one wants to open their minds to look at things from a different point of view.  First off EVERYON agrees sensless killing is terrible and needs to stop.  But one side isn't ready to have a conversation that the big bad gun isn't the root cause of the problem nor is the big bad AR15 an assault weapon nor a weapon of war (I'd take my dad's semiautomatic .284 rifle over an AR15...can have the same capacity with a much larger bullet and stopping power)...thos on the other side also need to open their minds to discussions about gun laws...not bans, but sensible gun laws.  But EVERYONE needs to have the discussion around mental health and self-accountability/responsibility and being held responsible (aka., parenting!), which to me is what is completely eroding in this society.  

So, name calling and the back and forth of I know you are but what am I solves nothing, so if anyone wants to have an open conversation and is ready to learn others point of view, I'd love to have that conversation.  And here is a start, if someone post something that you don't believe, or agree with, go look up the information yourself, saying the ownness is on the person who posted it to back it up is the first sign you are not at a point to have an open and honest discussion.

[Plasmodium]

It is gun culture more than guns.  Start with the guns - we'll diminish gun culture and make some progress.

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

It is gun culture more than guns.  Start with the guns - we'll diminish gun culture and make some progress.

Good talk  

[Plasmodium]

46 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Good talk  

Go ahead and talk.  Move the conversation along.  This isn't going away any time soon.

[headshuck]

It is gun culture more than guns.  Start with the guns - we'll diminish gun culture and make some progress.

Talk to Hollywood and game makers about that culture.