Monday & Glory, Princeton

[RYou]

It looks like Princeton / Iviy League rules are allowing QM and PG and presumably others, a 5TH year of eligibility. Ordinarily the Ivy League only allows 4 years of eligibility, 4 in 4 instead of NCAA 4 in 5.  So, this is their final Ivy season, but both have a COVID year under the NCAA allowance.

Do either / both continue wrestling and enroll elsewhere and if so, where? Will they seek out a top tier graduate program, or go a national championship? For Glory, it would mean a shot at being a 5x AA and there are many with that in their bio.

Being Princeton teammates, will they want a both or neither offer?  

 

[flyingcement]

Will Morgan State have a team by then?  Quincy could spend his final year wrestling for his dad.  I could see Glory at Penn State or Michigan.

[TexRef]

3 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Will Morgan State have a team by then?  Quincy could spend his final year wrestling for his dad.  I could see Glory at Penn State or Michigan.

Glory at PSU might stop the bleeding at 125, if he could make it for another season. 

[lu1979]

20 minutes ago, RYou said:

It looks like Princeton / Iviy League rules are allowing QM and PG and presumably others, a 5TH year of eligibility. Ordinarily the Ivy League only allows 4 years of eligibility, 4 in 4 instead of NCAA 4 in 5.  So, this is their final Ivy season, but both have a COVID year under the NCAA allowance.

Do either / both continue wrestling and enroll elsewhere and if so, where? Will they seek out a top tier graduate program, or go a national championship? For Glory, it would mean a shot at being a 5x AA and there are many with that in their bio.

Being Princeton teammates, will they want a both or neither offer?  

 

Neither Monday or Glory will have any eligibility after this season.  Both wrestled at the 2019 NCAA tournament and both wrestled in 2020 and were seeded in the NCAA tournament that was cancelled that year.  Princeton took 2021 off so neither were in the "year that didn't count" Both took 2nd in the 2022 NCAA tourney.  This will be the fourth and final year for both of them and it appears it will be at Princeton.

[Jerry Callo]

Would that apply to YIANNI at Cornell, among others?

[BigRedFan]

27 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Would that apply to YIANNI at Cornell, among others?

In short, yes.

[Fudge Tunnel]

3 hours ago, flyingcement said:

  I could see Glory at Penn State or Michigan.

I wonder how Princeton fills that Glory hole, then.....

[Jerry Callo]

Does Glory, or anyone else for that matter, have to leave his school after 4 years or could he stay?

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, Fudge Tunnel said:

I wonder how Princeton fills that Glory hole, then.....

This post should win for the day. I mean really...

[lu1979]

1 minute ago, Jerry Callo said:

Does Glory, or anyone else for that matter, have to leave his school after 4 years or could he stay?

The Ivy League has a rule that does not let an athlete compete if they have completed their undergraduate degree.  I also believe there is a limited amount of semesters that the students can be in school without getting their degree.  That is why you often see some of the Ivy students not attending school during the fall semesters.   Thede rules are only in the Ivy League and would not stop an athlete from graduating and then going to another NCAA school to compete as a graduate student.

[Jerry Callo]

Interesting - perhaps YIANNI will go to Stanford if he wants a 5th NCAA title?  

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Interesting - perhaps YIANNI will go to Stanford if he wants a 5th NCAA title?  

Wouldn't it be more impressive if he got the 5th from Arkansas Little Rock?  

[Jerry Callo]

Good point - or UB - which is LOTS closer to Hilton than Little Rock

[Red Blades]

49 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Interesting - perhaps YIANNI will go to Stanford if he wants a 5th NCAA title?  

I think Yianni is looking forward to moving on to focus on freestyle - just my opinion.

[RYou]

7 hours ago, lu1979 said:

Neither Monday or Glory will have any eligibility after this season.  Both wrestled at the 2019 NCAA tournament and both wrestled in 2020 and were seeded in the NCAA tournament that was cancelled that year.  Princeton took 2021 off so neither were in the "year that didn't count" Both took 2nd in the 2022 NCAA tourney.  This will be the fourth and final year for both of them and it appears it will be at Princeton.

It's actually the 5th year for both of them. Even though they are at an Ivy, they gained the COVID 6th bonus year  Since they did not wrestle in 2020/21, it's considered a red shirt year

Glory

2018/19 - 30-7 AA

2019-20 - 24-0. NWCA AA - tournament cancelled by NCAA

2020/21 - seasonal cancelled by Ivy League (red shirt equivalent)

2021-22 - 20-2, AA 2nd

2022/23 - TBD

Monday

2018/19 - 24-13 NCAA qualifier

2019-20 - 23-4- NWCA AA - tournament cancelled by NCAA

2020/21 - seasonal cancelled by Ivy League (red shirt equivalent)

2021-22 - 24-4 - AA 2nd

2022/23 - TBD

[RYou]

Yianni Diakomihalis

2017–2018

Yianni Diakomihalis has a bit of a different story. He has used three years of eligibility Taking an Olympic waiver and applying a red shirt to the year the IVY cancelled the season.  Even though he was not on the Cornell roster during his Olympic waiver year, he qualifies for an extra year of eligibility from the COVID bonus since he was on the 2020/21 roster that was awarded the year.

2017/18 - 37-1 NCAA Champion

2018/19 - 22-0 NCAA Champion

2019/20 Diakomihalis did not compete accepting an Olympic waiver.

2020-21 - Ivy League cancelled season (Red shirt equivalent)

2021/22 - 28-0 NCAA champion

2022/23 - TBD

Hmmm, could Yianni team up with Glory and Monday and deliver 3 NCAA finalists to some fortunate school?

 

[BigRedFan]

11 minutes ago, RYou said:

Yianni Diakomihalis

2017–2018

Yianni Diakomihalis has a bit of a different story. He has used three years of eligibility Taking an Olympic waiver and applying a red shirt to the year the IVY cancelled the season.  Even though he was not on the Cornell roster during his Olympic waiver year, he qualifies for an extra year of eligibility from the COVID bonus since he was on the 2020/21 roster that was awarded the year.

2017/18 - 37-1 NCAA Champion

2018/19 - 22-0 NCAA Champion

2019/20 Diakomihalis did not compete accepting an Olympic waiver.

2020-21 - Ivy League cancelled season (Red shirt equivalent)

2021/22 - 28-0 NCAA champion

2022/23 - TBD

Hmmm, could Yianni team up with Glory and Monday and deliver 3 NCAA finalists to some fortunate school?

 

No.  Yianni's last year of eligibility is this year, no matter where he attends school.  He doesn't get the COVID year of eligibility, because he *wasn't* on the roster that year (nor enrolled in school) (https://cornellbigred.com/sports/wrestling/roster/2020-21).  Only those who competed in 20-21 got the "free" year.

The Ivy League changed "4 years out of 5" to "4 years out of 6" due to the COVID year, but it is still four years, and the NCAA free year doesn't apply to him (and Vito and Max Dean, each of whom sat out that year).

[lu1979]

9 hours ago, RYou said:

It's actually the 5th year for both of them. Even though they are at an Ivy, they gained the COVID 6th bonus year  Since they did not wrestle in 2020/21, it's considered a red shirt year

Glory

2018/19 - 30-7 AA

2019-20 - 24-0. NWCA AA - tournament cancelled by NCAA

2020/21 - seasonal cancelled by Ivy League (red shirt equivalent)

2021-22 - 20-2, AA 2nd

2022/23 - TBD

Monday

2018/19 - 24-13 NCAA qualifier

2019-20 - 23-4- NWCA AA - tournament cancelled by NCAA

2020/21 - seasonal cancelled by Ivy League (red shirt equivalent)

2021-22 - 24-4 - AA 2nd

2022/23 - TBD

That is incorrect - if you did not compete in the 2021 season you do not get an extra year.  That is why Josh Humphreys (Lehigh) will be done this year.  If you wrestled in 2021 is does not count against your eligibility.  Not wrestling that year for whatever reason does not add a year to eligibility.  That is also why no one redshirted any of their kids that year. 

[lu1979]

9 hours ago, RYou said:

Yianni Diakomihalis

2017–2018

Yianni Diakomihalis has a bit of a different story. He has used three years of eligibility Taking an Olympic waiver and applying a red shirt to the year the IVY cancelled the season.  Even though he was not on the Cornell roster during his Olympic waiver year, he qualifies for an extra year of eligibility from the COVID bonus since he was on the 2020/21 roster that was awarded the year.

2017/18 - 37-1 NCAA Champion

2018/19 - 22-0 NCAA Champion

2019/20 Diakomihalis did not compete accepting an Olympic waiver.

2020-21 - Ivy League cancelled season (Red shirt equivalent)

2021/22 - 28-0 NCAA champion

2022/23 - TBD

Hmmm, could Yianni team up with Glory and Monday and deliver 3 NCAA finalists to some fortunate school?

 

Also incorrect as explained by BRF - all 3 are done this year.

[gimpeltf]

2 hours ago, lu1979 said:

That is incorrect - if you did not compete in the 2021 season you do not get an extra year.  That is why Josh Humphreys (Lehigh) will be done this year.  If you wrestled in 2021 is does not count against your eligibility.  Not wrestling that year for whatever reason does not add a year to eligibility.  That is also why no one redshirted any of their kids that year. 

This isn't entirely accurate either. At least not entirely complete.

Yes, if you wrestled that year you are able to get a fifth ACTIVE year. 

But if you red shirted that year, you are able to get another red shirt year.

The covid year means that it doesn't count against your NCAA D1 clock. 2020-2021 is a bonus year. From an NCAA (not necessarily an Ivy League-or any other conference or school) eligibility standpoint, the college year 2019-2020 is immediately followed by 2021-2022. If you think of it this way, all the other rules still apply.

Edited November 9, 2022 by gimpeltf

[RYou]

As I understand it, there is a difference between "competed" versus "on the roster".  You need only be on the roster to qualify and Glory and Monday were on the Princeton roster that season.  

[lu1979]

20 hours ago, gimpeltf said:

This isn't entirely accurate either. At least not entirely complete.

Yes, if you wrestled that year you are able to get a fifth ACTIVE year. 

But if you red shirted that year, you are able to get another red shirt year.

The covid year means that it doesn't count against your NCAA D1 clock. 2020-2021 is a bonus year. From an NCAA (not necessarily an Ivy League-or any other conference or school) eligibility standpoint, the college year 2019-2020 is immediately followed by 2021-2022. If you think of it this way, all the other rules still apply.

Gimp my point is pretty simple - the athlete is only going to get an extra year (be able to compete in a 5th year of NCAA wrestling) if they actually competed in the 2020-2021 season. For some people, (those that wrestled in 2020 it means they can be in 5 conference tournaments but will only get 4 NCAA tournaments. (ie Brooks or Carr) for others it means they can end up competing in 5 Conference tournaments and 5 NCAA tournament - is Starocci & O'Toole.  Still the central point of the discussion is that as this rule apllies to Glory, Vito and Yianni - they did not compete in 2021 and they will not get an extra year. Yianni and Glory are done this year with their eligibility.  Vito has this year and 1 more year after that (can't say if he will be able to use that final year at Cornell or not).  Josh H is also done with eligibility this year and (knock on wood) he will have competed in 4 EIWAs but only 3 NCAAs due to 2020 having been canceled. 

[RYou]

Graduate student eligibility extension denied for Classes of 2022, 2023 and 2024 | The Dartmouth

Check out this article.  The Ivy is allowing graduates in 2022, 2023 and 2024, an extra year of eligibility to compete as a graduate student.  If they are eligible at their Ivy, they'll be eligible at any NCAA school, with or without a scholarship.  Obviously, they need to qualify for and be offered a seat as a graduate student, or they can just transfer.

[gimpeltf]

And my point was that you didn't say that about getting an extra competition year, you only said an extra year which could be interpreted as in not getting another redshirt year.

[gimpeltf]

3 minutes ago, RYou said:

Graduate student eligibility extension denied for Classes of 2022, 2023 and 2024 | The Dartmouth

Check out this article.  The Ivy is allowing graduates in 2022, 2023 and 2024, an extra year of eligibility to compete as a graduate student.  If they are eligible at their Ivy, they'll be eligible at any NCAA school, with or without a scholarship.  Obviously, they need to qualify for and be offered a seat as a graduate student, or they can just transfer.

Pretty clearly says the opposite. Only those graduating in 2021 got the extension at their same school. They can't deny them from transferring anyway and competing elsewhere so that couldn't be controlled by them.