Interesting perspective

[WrestlingRasta]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A266Pa3cw/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

Matthew McConnaughey talking about independents. 

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1A266Pa3cw/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

Matthew McConnaughey talking about independents. 

Don’t let that algorithm drive your life man.  You can let go. 

[jross]

I was once an idealist unrealist like Mathew.  No chance against the money in politics.

[WrestlingRasta]

47 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Don’t let that algorithm drive your life man.  You can let go. 

. Son predictable.
 

You are a boring, unhappy child.  When I’m posting 20 some copy and pastes from social media daily….come talk to me.  Until then, move along little fella 

Edited 23 hours ago by WrestlingRasta

[WrestlingRasta]

25 minutes ago, jross said:

I was once an idealist unrealist like Mathew.  No chance against the money in politics.

The only thing that makes it in unrealistic is us continuing to just simply be comfortable and content following the herd at chow time. 

Edited 23 hours ago by WrestlingRasta

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, WrestlingRasta said:

The only thing that makes it in unrealistic is us continuing to just simply be comfortable and content following the herd at chow time. 

I did it for fifteen years, but found I felt uncomfortable with my results.

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I did it for fifteen years, but found I felt uncomfortable with my results.

Honest question. What were your results that left you uncomfortable? 

[Gene Mills Fan]

6 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Honest question. What were your results that left you uncomfortable? 

My candidates got less than 15% of the vote

[WrestlingRasta]

Just now, Gene Mills Fan said:

My candidates got less than 15% of the vote

So that was your candidates results.   Your result was you did your best with what you can control. 

[jross]

Nader voters had it within their control to push Gore past Bush.  They may have respected their choice but it was strategically a squandered vote.  Once I realized this... I was done voting for the libertarians, writing in my preferred candidates, and so on.

[WrestlingRasta]

39 minutes ago, jross said:

 a squandered vote.  

If you believe in my vote my voice, it is not squandered at all.  If your purpose of voting is to be on the winning team, then you have a point.  
 

Do people realize there are other offices elected besides president? And secondly, do people realize that those other offices have a greater impact on your day to day life than a president? 

Edited 21 hours ago by WrestlingRasta

[jross]

The worst case winner is a punishment to those picking outside the two party system for president, senate, etc.  I'm with you on local elections... 

Edited 20 hours ago by jross

[red viking]

We need ranked choice voting. Would minimize the chances of corrupt pedos getting elected. 

[WrestlingRasta]

40 minutes ago, jross said:

The worst case winner is a punishment to those picking outside the two party system for president, senate, etc.  

I’m not sure what you mean here 

[jross]

The voter picks the third party candidate, their favorite candidate, who has no real chance of winning.  This is one less vote for their second favorite candidate, who is in a competitive race.  Their third favorite candidate, the worst case outcome, wins.  This is the worst case winner.  The voter is punished for voting idealistically instead of strategically.

The non voter is also punished when the worst case voter wins, where their vote could have made a difference.

[WrestlingRasta]

1 minute ago, jross said:

The voter picks the third party candidate, their favorite candidate, who has no real chance of winning.  This is one less vote for their second favorite candidate, who is in a competitive race.  Their third favorite candidate, the worst case outcome, wins.  This is the worst case winner.  The voter is punished for voting idealistically instead of strategically.

The non voter is also punished when the worst case voter wins, where their vote could have made a difference.

I guess I just have to disagree with your angle.   To me, the vote is about my voice and my value.  I don’t think of my voice as a strategic pawn. If I vote my voice I am not punished.  Not being on the “winning team” is not a punishment.   This system wasn’t set up to pick sides and vote to win, it was set up for each of us to have our own voice.  
 

Just my thoughts on it 

[jross]

I understand voting with principles... 

The punishment isn't getting a silver medal... it is the consequence of it.  2020 to 2024 was 1984.  It is the governed policies and culture downstream that is the punishment.  Forcing me to vaccinate or be fired is a punishment.  Forcing pronoun use or be written up is a punishment.  My collegues scowling at me for reading the same technical jargon (master server,  white/blacklist, etc.) that we both used yesterday is a punishment.  And so on.

"I did what I could" provided some comfort mentally while being dwarfed in real outcomes.

[WrestlingRasta]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

I understand voting with principles... 

The punishment isn't getting a silver medal... it is the consequence of it.  2020 to 2024 was 1984.  It is the governed policies and culture downstream that is the punishment.  Forcing me to vaccinate or be fired is a punishment.  Forcing pronoun use or be written up is a punishment.  My collegues scowling at me for reading the same technical jargon (master server,  white/blacklist, etc.) that we both used yesterday is a punishment.  And so on.

"I did what I could" provided some comfort mentally while being dwarfed in real outcomes.

Again I just completely disagree on that angle and the whole sense of ‘punishment’ (and that 2020-2024 was 1984, I think that’s a bit overzealous). 
 

But that’s okay.  Nothing wrong with disagreeing. 

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[Bigbrog]

I say get rid of the biparty system. 

[Doublehalf]

10 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I say get rid of the biparty system. 

Ranked choice voting would be a step in that direction.

The electoral also needs to go. It is good to have all states in the country in play and everyone's vote having equal value from a general election standpoint. It would avoids billion dollars being spent in just one swing state to decide an election. Candidates should have to reach all Americans and earn their votes.

The competition without the electoral college I think would lead to greater bipartisanship and keep politicans a little more honest. It would also keep party fringe members at bay as well.

Edited 5 hours ago by Doublehalf

[jross]

Hmm... those in power controlled our life, language/thoughts, surveilled our location, controlled information flow, banned public gatherings while at the same saying it was fine for public BLM protests, snitches were rewarded...

[Doublehalf]

1 minute ago, jross said:

Hmm... those in power controlled our life, language/thoughts, surveilled our location, controlled information flow, banned public gatherings while at the same saying it was fine for public BLM protests, snitches were rewarded...

You too need to breathe into a brown paper bag...

[jross]

We should stay a republic and maintain the electoral college.

Get lobbying and money out of politics.

Ban individual investing by politicians and enforce punishment for insider trading.

Ranked choice voting still has problems that can eliminate the moderate choice.

[Scouts Honor]

46 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Ranked choice voting would be a step in that direction.

The electoral also needs to go. It is good to have all states in the country in play and everyone's vote having equal value from a general election standpoint. It would avoids billion dollars being spent in just one swing state to decide an election. Candidates should have to reach all Americans and earn their votes.

The competition without the electoral college I think would lead to greater bipartisanship and keep politicans a little more honest. It would also keep party fringe members at bay as well.

tell me you know nothing of history without telling me

 

[WrestlingRasta]

25 minutes ago, jross said:

Hmm... those in power controlled our life, language/thoughts, surveilled our location, controlled information flow, banned public gatherings while at the same saying it was fine for public BLM protests, snitches were rewarded...

I can honestly say I never felt my life was controlled.  I never felt my language and thoughts were controlled.  I read a lot on social media about how my life and thoughts and language was controlled, but I never expeeeienced it. Public gatherings were not banned from 2020-2024.  Controlled information flow has been going on for decades.  
 

Agree to disagree.