poverty

[KSoze]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

They do not.  Calling FICA “payroll taxes” is a misnomer.  The programs funded by that money is more like insurance, for which you pay “premiums.”  And that family of four qualifies for Medicaid, and will almost certainly benefit far more than what they contribute.  

It's literally a tax. 

https://www.ssa.gov/people/materials/pdfs/EN-05-10297.pdf

 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, braves121 said:

USA: the greatest and richest country in the world where a very small % of it's citizens need two jobs and their children to work to afford to live what a joke lmao

FTFY 

[KSoze]

15 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Yes. Bootstrap instead of hand out.   Stop being lazy.  I just posted a hundred plus jobs near me.  Go get two of them 

the heard needs to be maintained somehow.   Kick out the illegals too they drain the system our tax $$$ and the job market 

quit whining about anxiety and the like.   Maybe they have anxiety cause they can’t provide for their kids and are lazy bad parents 

Many poor people work and work multiple jobs. Your job list is the same thing as what they're doing now. 

Immigrants are a net positive: https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

No one is whining. I simply pointed out that the government likes to tout reductions in poverty and provided context as to what that means in the real world. 

Some people took exception to that and saying deplorable, ignorant shit - like you. 

 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, KSoze said:

Many poor people work and work multiple jobs. Your job list is the same thing as what they're doing now. 

Immigrants are a net positive: https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

No one is whining. I simply pointed out that the government likes to tout reductions in poverty and provided context as to what that means in the real world. 

Some people took exception to that and saying deplorable, ignorant shit - like you. 

 

All yall do is whine.   
 

• The Census reported 36.8 million people in poverty in 2023. 
• In 2025, about 8.7 million Americans overall held multiple jobs—roughly 5.3% of employed people.

[braves121]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

All yall do is whine.   
 

 

coming from the guy who whines 24/7 about democrats, socialists, illegal immigrants, muslims, etc...

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, braves121 said:

coming from the guy who whines 24/7 about democrats, socialists, illegal immigrants, muslims, etc...

He yawns a lot too. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

He yawns a lot too. 

I already proved that more than 2/3 of the poverty people don’t have more than one job (or zero jobs).   They prefer to keep their hand out instead of being upstanding adults 

There is no valid retort to that.  

[Offthemat]

11 minutes ago, KSoze said:

Immigrants are a net positive: https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

Easily debunked.  It's typical double speaking.  It is referring to legal immigrants, it says if immigration was banned taxes would be lower.  That is wrong, too.  It's including h1b immigrants, who if they were replaced by American citizens, would be paid more and pay more in taxes.  The leftists are counting on you to read, accept,  and memorize their propaganda without any critical thinking, just like when you were in class. 

[Caveira]

22 minutes ago, braves121 said:

coming from the guy who whines 24/7 about democrats, socialists, illegal immigrants, muslims, etc...

I went back to the Census and BLS data and rebuilt the estimate from the ground up.

Lots of zeros or 1s dude.    Why are they so lazy?

The starting point

• 35.9 million Americans were below the official poverty line in 2024, according to the Census Bureau. 
• The Census's 2024 ACS provides a useful breakdown of people 16 and older by work experience. Among people below poverty:
  • 2.85 million worked full-time, year-round.
  • 8.64 million worked part-time or part-year.
  • 19.03 million did not work during the previous 12 months. 
• Those three categories total 30.52 million people age 16+.
• The remaining roughly 5.4 million of the 35.9 million poor people are under 16 and therefore overwhelmingly have zero jobs.

So the defensible breakdown is

• ~24.4 million — 0 jobs
• ~10.9 million — 1+ jobs
• ~0.5–0.6 million — 2+ jobs
• ~10.3–10.4 million — exactly 1 job
• 35.9 million — total below poverty line

[mspart]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

 

I went back to the Census and BLS data and rebuilt the estimate from the ground up.

Lots of zeros or 1s dude.    Why are they so lazy?

The starting point

• 35.9 million Americans were below the official poverty line in 2024, according to the Census Bureau. 
• The Census's 2024 ACS provides a useful breakdown of people 16 and older by work experience. Among people below poverty:
  • 2.85 million worked full-time, year-round.
  • 8.64 million worked part-time or part-year.
  • 19.03 million did not work during the previous 12 months. 
• Those three categories total 30.52 million people age 16+.
• The remaining roughly 5.4 million of the 35.9 million poor people are under 16 and therefore overwhelmingly have zero jobs.

So the defensible breakdown is

• ~24.4 million — 0 jobs
• ~10.9 million — 1+ jobs
• ~0.5–0.6 million — 2+ jobs
• ~10.3–10.4 million — exactly 1 job
• 35.9 million — total below poverty line

To be sure, I don't think anyone on here would say that a disabled person who can't work should work.   But at the same time, abled persons who can work should work.   70% of those below poverty don't work.   I think it is a fair assumption that not all of those 70% are disabled to the degree that they cannot work.   

mspart

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, mspart said:

To be sure, I don't think anyone on here would say that a disabled person who can't work should work.   But at the same time, abled persons who can work should work.   70% of those below poverty don't work.   I think it is a fair assumption that not all of those 70% are disabled to the degree that they cannot work.   

mspart

It’s convenient the other side stopped answering when #s were posted from the census/bls data.   I agree in truly disabled.  They need help.    The lazy able bodied don’t.   We have more pretending to be disabled these days (imo) than the old days for some reason. 
 

Google says ~3 of the 36m are disabled so 10%.   I’ll bet it’s really less than that.   I know the nay sayers will say whatabout-ism the disabled.  
 

so there.  < 10% of the unemployed should receive permanent benefits.   

[KSoze]

3 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Easily debunked.  It's typical double speaking.  It is referring to legal immigrants, it says if immigration was banned taxes would be lower.  That is wrong, too.  It's including h1b immigrants, who if they were replaced by American citizens, would be paid more and pay more in taxes.  The leftists are counting on you to read, accept,  and memorize their propaganda without any critical thinking, just like when you were in class. 

You didn't read it at all, did you? 

It literally has a full table about illegal immigration and the net impact. 

 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, KSoze said:

You didn't read it at all, did you? 

It literally has a full table about illegal immigration and the net impact. 

 

You should comment on the metrics above boss 

they kind of ruin your argument.    

the numbers show the vast majority of them don’t even bother to try to work  

[KSoze]

 

24 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You should comment on the metrics above boss 

they kind of ruin your argument.    

the numbers show the vast majority of them don’t even bother to try to work  

I'm not going to engage with people who spew eugenic, white supremacy tropes. 

It's despicable. 

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, braves121 said:

USA: the greatest and richest country in the world where it's citizens need two jobs and their children to work to afford to live what a joke lmao

you and RV really should move in together somewhere new

[Offthemat]

23 minutes ago, KSoze said:

I'm not going to engage with people who spew eugenic, white supremacy tropes. 

It's despicable. 

So you’re against funding planned parenthood?  Want it abolished?

[braves121]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

you and RV really should move in together somewhere new

why? because I want my country to be better?

[braves121]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

So you’re against funding planned parenthood?  Want it abolished?

please do say how planned parenthood is for eugenics or white supremacy when 57 % of their patients are white. aborting white babies seems the opposite of white supremacy 

Edited September 17 by braves121

[mspart]

https://www.congress.gov/115/meeting/house/106562/witnesses/HHRG-115-JU10-Wstate-ParkerS-20171101-SD001.pdf

Dis-proportionally, the leading consumer of the abortionists’ services is the African-American female. According to the 2011 Abortion Surveillance Report issued by the Center for Disease Control, black women make up 14 percent of the childbearing population, yet obtained 36.2 percent of reported abortions. Black women have the highest abortion ratio in the country, with 474 abortions per 1,000 live births. Percentages at these levels illustrate that more than 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973.

By numbers you might be right, there may be more white babies killed, but by proportion of population size and proportion per 1000 pregnancies, more black babies are killed by percentage of the black population.   It is a tragedy that we have created a culture of killing your babies for the convenience of not having a baby.   And the black population has suffered more because of this than any other race.  

mspart

 

[Caveira]

42 minutes ago, KSoze said:

 

I'm not going to engage with people who spew eugenic, white supremacy tropes. 

It's despicable. 

So.  You think 24 million people with no job… and of that 24 million ~95% are able-bodied.   You think they deserve more than $0 of long term aide?   Maybe a few months but more than that? 

[Lipdrag]

"US poverty rate dips to lowest on record, Census Bureau says"

 

Yet, more and more people are on the dole.  Now even the left wing rags are noticing that we probably have an issue:

 

Where's the money going?  Bureaucrats' salaries, grifters, and fraud, of course.  

The GAO estimates that the federal government loses between $233 billion and $521 billion to fraud every year.

 

 

https://archive.is/qCRds

[mspart]

45 minutes ago, KSoze said:

I'm not going to engage with people who spew eugenic, white supremacy tropes. 

It's despicable. 

In other words, the numbers don't match anything you are ready to discuss so you are leaving the field of play.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, KSoze said:

You didn't read it at all, did you?

I didn’t read past the banning immigration would make it worse part.  At thar point I realized, and you should have, that the rest wasn’t worth the effort. 

[JimmySpeaks]

A quick Google search shows that according to the hiring agency Indeed there are approximately 800,000 jobs currently available that start (that means entry level pay) at $35,000 per year. Many of them also offer benefits.  Two parents and it becomes $70,000 to start. 

[Offthemat]

33 minutes ago, braves121 said:

please do say how planned parenthood is for eugenics or white supremacy when 57 % of their patients are white. aborting white babies seems the opposite of white supremacy 

The founder was a proud eugenist and white supremecist.  To this day the establishments are concentrated in minority areas.