Hilton Head Joe Posted March 25 Posted March 25 6 hours ago, lu1979 said: Jax would have been manhandled if he competed last year? You mean if he competed a few months before he beat 2X NC & World Champ Vito A 2 to 0 to make the world team? Smart take In all fairness Vito was done.
Elevator Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I have recorded my fan vote for MM and that should be that! 1
Hurricane Wrestling Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Latest Stats: Mesenbrink: 7,598 (66%)----Jax: 3,457 (13%)----Vega: 2,004 (8%) Trumble: 1,397 (5%)----Haines: 1,306 (5%)----Barr: 197 (3%) Lilledahl: 125 (0%)----Cinnabon 0 (0%)
wrestlingfan05 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, Hurricane Wrestling said: Latest Stats: Mesenbrink: 7,598 (66%)----Jax: 3,457 (13%)----Vega: 2,004 (8%) Trumble: 1,397 (5%)----Haines: 1,306 (5%)----Barr: 197 (3%) Lilledahl: 125 (0%)----Cinnabon 0 (0%) 125 votes for the 125 champ
headshuck Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Since nobody care about # of pins anymore (the original Hodge focus), record, domination, quality of competition are the key criteria of the new “Heisman.” Jax and MM equally dominant. You could argue Jax’s quality of competition at 133 is greater than MM at 165. Vega had a 2x champ to go through but he wasn’t as dominant over the rest of the field. Sportsmanship - washPast credentials, well obviously MM.
OopsyDaisy1 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 12 hours ago, Hurricane Wrestling said: Latest Stats: Mesenbrink: 7,598 (66%)----Jax: 3,457 (13%)----Vega: 2,004 (8%) Trumble: 1,397 (5%)----Haines: 1,306 (5%)----Barr: 197 (3%) Lilledahl: 125 (0%)----Cinnabon 0 (0%) I was surprised to see that few for Barr. But I guess anyone who's inclined to vote for Barr is probably going to vote for Mesenbrink as they're both at PSU and Mesenbrink edges him out in most stats + dominated in the finals. Also, those percentages have to be off. How can MM have 2.2x the votes but 5.1x the percentage of votes. They should be equal multiples.
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 26 Posted March 26 6 hours ago, headshuck said: Since nobody care about # of pins anymore (the original Hodge focus), record, domination, quality of competition are the key criteria of the new “Heisman.” In this age of advanced analytics and stats, we could probably add a quant layer to "domination" based on the total time a wrestler spends on the mat. I saw somewhere that Forrest was pinning and teching everyone at Nationals like crazy and his total match time was insanely short. On the flip side, wrestlers with a lot of matches that go to SV/TBs (long total match time) could get dinged for not dominating.
ionel Posted March 26 Posted March 26 42 minutes ago, OopsyDaisy1 said: I was surprised to see that few for Barr. But I guess anyone who's inclined to vote for Barr is probably going to vote for Mesenbrink as they're both at PSU and Mesenbrink edges him out in most stats + dominated in the finals. Also, those percentages have to be off. How can MM have 2.2x the votes but 5.1x the percentage of votes. They should be equal multiples. Beside that how many votes for Messenbrink and what did they do with those votes? .
Hurricane Wrestling Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, OopsyDaisy1 said: I was surprised to see that few for Barr. But I guess anyone who's inclined to vote for Barr is probably going to vote for Mesenbrink as they're both at PSU and Mesenbrink edges him out in most stats + dominated in the finals. Also, those percentages have to be off. How can MM have 2.2x the votes but 5.1x the percentage of votes. They should be equal multiples. I screwed MM out of 10,000 votes - I dropped a digit and only gave him 7,598 votes when it should have been 17,598. That's why the percentages appeared off, but they're actually correct. All I can say is oopsy daisy, Mr. OopsyDaisy1. Good catch on your part.
Hurricane Wrestling Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Here's the latest - copied and pasted from WIN's site: Live Fan Vote Standings 27,832 total votes cast LEADING Mitchell Mesenbrink, Penn State, 165 67% 18,550 votes #2 Jax Forrest, Oklahoma State, 133 13% 3,576 votes #3 Sergio Vega, Oklahoma State, 141 7% 2,067 votes #4 Issac Trumble, North Carolina State, 285 5% 1,438 votes #5 Levi Haines, Penn State, 174 5% 1,366 votes #6 Josh Barr, Penn State, 197 3% 740 votes #7 Luke Lilledahl, Penn State, 125 0% 95 votes
headshuck Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Allowing fans to vote dilutes this once prestigious award even further. It’s become a popularity contest. 1
OopsyDaisy1 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Hurricane Wrestling said: I screwed MM out of 10,000 votes - I dropped a digit and only gave him 7,598 votes when it should have been 17,598. That's why the percentages appeared off, but they're actually correct. All I can say is oopsy daisy, Mr. OopsyDaisy1. Good catch on your part. That makes sense. I know people were frustrated with Barr's vote total and think it invalidated the fan vote, but I don't really have a problem here. You're voting for who you think is best. Not voting for 1-5 then arranging by points like an NVA MVP ballot. I think the reasons to put Jax or Sergio 1st are different than the reasons to put Barr first. And I said in my previous post, the reasons for Barr and MM are very similar and MM comes out on top. MM is way out in front, which is where he should be, imo. Edited March 26 by OopsyDaisy1 Clarification 1
Nak21 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, headshuck said: Allowing fans to vote dilutes this once prestigious award even further. It’s become a popularity contest. On the bright side just think of all those new gmail addresses that have been created. Nigerian princes are excited for all the new opportunities to share their fortunes. 1
MPhillips Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, headshuck said: Allowing fans to vote dilutes this once prestigious award even further. It’s become a popularity contest. Worth five... .
mr.nonothingatall Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I am withholding my vote I will vote for Mitchell but am fearful he will track me down and try to shake my hand. 1 Full of un-bias blasphemy.
lu1979 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/25/2026 at 5:52 PM, Hilton Head Joe said: In all fairness Vito was done. He was still great even if he was not peak Vito which I acknowledge - just the fact that Jax was wrestling to make a senior World team alone makes the statement that he would have been manhandled ludicrous. 1
ionel Posted March 27 Posted March 27 5 hours ago, mr.nonothingatall said: I am withholding my vote I will vote for Mitchell but am fearful he will track me down and try to shake my hand. Mitchell who? .
mr.nonothingatall Posted March 27 Posted March 27 7 hours ago, ionel said: Mitchell who? I'm on a first name basis with him now. I no longer use or misspell his last name 1 Full of un-bias blasphemy.
ionel Posted March 27 Posted March 27 2 hours ago, mr.nonothingatall said: I'm on a first name basis with him now. I no longer use or misspell his last name But not first name handshake basis no? .
mr.nonothingatall Posted March 27 Posted March 27 1 hour ago, ionel said: But not first name handshake basis no? Not quite at that pointatall Full of un-bias blasphemy.
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