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Kinda surprised not OkState. The way they got mashed by PSU makes this look even more about money.

Yes, a Freestyle Medalist. All of these other guys were winning in dominant fashion, and definitely not losing, at this point in their career. That’s why I have Stieber losing to True Freshman Retherford as a significant loss in his RS Jr year.

I can get behind this one. Brooks winning 197 being undersized is an accomplishment to me as well to consider. His loss to the Michigan Guy I'm blanking on hurts him, since it was in an era where he should’ve still dominated. Star, 5th or not, is definitely last on my list. Slightly weaker defense than Dake, but zero offense. He should be mauling people in his 6th (7th?) year.

How are any of you putting Stieber at 3?!?! He got pinned by Ramos, taken down in the finals and handed a Natty, lost to a True Freshman as a RS Jr( who I have ranked higher collegiately than Stieber). Stieber is without a doubt on the bottom of my list. With that said, what an amazing list to be the bottom on. And 159-0 will always be #1. Not only did he never lose, he never almost loss either. He controlled every match.

No chance he isn’t currently atop the list. He literally just teched a very, very good wrestler.

Steveson’s domination just doesn’t get me pumped really. Him getting a Redshirt while in the WWE is garbage.

This match got many people into watching wrestling. Never give up.

When Dake jumped to 165, even the Cornell faithful didn’t think he’d hang with DT. Not saying Haines and O’Toole are at that level, but you sometimes just don’t know until you see it on the mat. It is easy to say Haines, since what he did in Free. However, O’Toole is a better Folk than Free wrestler. I know I want to see it, no matter what!

Will this be televised?

No matter what Gable does, I just can’t consider him. He’s not a typical Senior. He’s 7 years removed from being a Senior? He’s not a 5th year Senior. He’s a 7th year Man. Nickal bumping to 197 and still having the same level of dominance says a lot to me. In my book, he’s it of lately.

Agree on Teemer, but I see the floor for Parco being lower than 4th.

Or that people above them switched weights or graduated.

David Taylor is an obvious absolute stud in folk style. We all admired him, and his skill set. He has been wrestling since adolescence. He lost his Junior year to Dake. By a riding point. Obviously Dake is special as well, but a guy that had worked on getting out from bottom for over a decade couldn’t. Do I think Ono would crush everyone? Pretty much yes. But someone throwing in boots, or spiral riding him, someone that truly knows top game, will choose top and make life hard for him. Ono would have 5min to get as many takedowns as he can. And he will take down anyone in his weight class.

Figure it out? Yes. But it takes more than figuring it out with an absolute hammer.

Let’s be real. We wish the USA would be better in freestyle. But could you picture some of these guys getting under some of our best folk riders?

The Yaz-Taylor competition over the past decade has been great. We, as fans, have been so privileged. Off the mat, both of these gentlemen have been absolute class acts. Again, us fans have been given a treat.

Snyder beat the puffy version of Sad, not the filled-out 97 version, that pinned him. He may be called our Captain America, but we’re the only nation that may see it that way sadly.

I mean his M4, or whatever it was called, training site.

Honestly, I'm still suprised none of Taylor's students followed him to Stillwater.

I don't see him being capable at 157, and he's definitely not winning 165. Probably not beating Haines at 174 either, so my question was does he stay or go. Why did Haines not want a RS?

My question is him staying down to 157.

If Facundo doesn't beat out Mess or Haines, does he transfer at Christmas?

No one is saying College Wrestling won't be fine. It obviously will. I'll still support it, and still continue going to each Championship. However, I do wish we'd dominate at the International level better. I look at Lee, and think what could've been. He got a Silver in his first International big-level tourney, at age 25 to a Veteran-level Beast, at 28. He was the can't miss future of American Wrestling, and is just now at the Senior level shooting his shot. I just want to see our elite be elite longer.

Zain was a World Champion at their age as well. And he became an all timer in college. Granted, he did win a World Title, but in a non-Olympic weight. He didn't do well at all in his Oly debut. I said this about the two because it doesn't always translate over. I'd rather see us dominant Internationally than seeing some Freshman win a college Title again.

Ask anyone that wrestles if they would give up their NCAA title for an Oly Gold, 100% would say yes. I'd love to see some of these guys go that route, and pursue FS from Day 1.