Dogbone

28 minutes ago, Tigerfan said:

Yep. But one thing I have learned about Rocky is he is a tournament guy. Duals not so much. Kinda the opposite of Surtin. 

He lost in the quarters the last 2 years and the 1st round his other trip?  He does most of his work on the backside.

Brooks over Hidlay in the finals. Everyone is fighting for 3rd.

Not a single 2nd round result will surprise me. 

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

I guess Manning’s point is that he thinks Starocci should have just been seeded last at B10’s if they knew he wasn’t going to wrestle?   It’s still probably a bit of a stretch to get Wilson to an automatic qualifying spot though.

If you reconstruct the bracket with everyone moving up 1 spot, he wrestles Maylor as an 11/6 matchup.  If I’m reading this right, if he loses, with no Starocci he would’ve had a bye in his first consi match before wrestling the 4/5 loser, which would have been Welsh/Turley, both the guys he lost to, so he’d be back into the 9th place bracket there.

If he beats Maylor he probably places top 8 in that scenario, but he did lose to Maylor in the dual.

I mean I guess I wouldn’t be opposed to guys being able to not enter the conference tourney and still be entered into the at large pool (although there should be some penalty), but based on the current rules there isn’t anything wrong with what PSU did.

I think Manning is just fighting for his guy.  He probably believes Wilson would of been able to flip a result from the dual as well.

I would also bet some of this goes back to their B12 days when coaches were determining who would get the wild card from each conference and Cael and Bobby used to make alliances to get their guys in as opposed to determining the most deserving guys.  

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Nick Suriano did compete at B10’s that year.  Lost his first match by injury default. 

No, he did not "compete"  

34 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

IIRC, he transferred mostly because PSU wanted him to get surgery and he did not.  I don’t believe it was about whether or not he wrestled at NCAA’s.

Based on the accounts of multiple wrestlers with firsthand knowledge of the situation, he was wrong when he said “Nick had broken his ankle and had no intention in competing in either tourney”

 

 

So Manning was right about the B1G tourney and wrong about the NCAA tourney.  Right about what happened in the coaches meeting at B1Gs. 

The "he is drilling downstairs right now" is common joke that no one from PSU has disputed until now.   At the time, people were also critical he didn't pull out until the bracket were set as it was believed it was done to intentionally impact the team race.  No one from PSU spoke up like they are now.

So basically Manning was right on all accounts except the one widely believed statement regarding Suriano's ability to compete at NCAAs that,has now for the first time ever, got people from PSU to speak up. 

Manning should tweet more, maybe getting information out of PSU won't be like Fort Knox. 

ESPN did a pretty good story on Peyton Robb's injury and recovery:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/39711387/peyton-robb-nebraska-flesh-eating-bacteria

Still a crazy story.   So glad Peyton is healthy.

This was my post in the most anticipated match up thread, which was probably not the right location:

But Starocci not wrestling did have multi impacts on the NCAA Qualifiers. 

Bauwmann from Purdue got majored by Maylor then received the MFF.  Didn't win a  contested match and is an NCAA qualifier not because of his wins but because of where he was placed in the bracket.

Sparks only beat DJ Washington (DJ didn't win a match all weekend), received the free pass to the semis, slid to 6th = qualifier.

And no question Brennan from Little Rock is an NCAA qualifier if Starocci competes as he says he was capable of.

I don't know the answer tho.  Starocci shouldn't be excluded, if he can compete in 2 weeks.  I still think he wins it, it just too bad that it has impacts on guys like Brennan who go from last one in to first alternative.  Would of been nice for Little Rock to get another qualifier. 

12 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Starocci took the mat and wrestled. He lost by inj default. He just did it in a way so as to 1) comply with qualifying requirements and 2) not further injure himself

I don't think Brennan will go thru life blaming Carter Starocci for his not qualifying when he could have done so on his own merit. 

 

That was not wrestling.  It was legal, but he did not wrestle anyone. 

I'm not saying he did anything wrong, just pointing out it had (unintended) consequences.  You may be okay with the consequences or not care but that doesn't mean they were none. 

2 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

When you have three guys who were there telling him he's wrong, then he's wrong. They were there, he was not. 

He was wrong about what was said in the B1G coaches meeting (none of those 3 where there either)?  

 Why did Nick transfer again?

3 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Starocci didn't prevent Wilson from qualifying, the fact that Wilson didn't wrestle better this year is what did that. Same as any other non qualifier in D1. 

True.  But Starocci not wrestling did have multi impacts on the NCAA Qualifiers. 

Bauwmann from Purdue got majored by Maylor then received the MFF.  Didn't win a match and is an NCAA qualifier not because of his wins but because of where he was placed in the bracket.

Sparks only beat DJ Washington (DJ didn't win a match all weekend), received the free pass to the semis, slid to 6th = qualifier.

And no question Brennan from Little Rock is an NCAA qualifier if Starocci competes as he says he was capable of.

21 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

@Coach_Manning

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13h

In the 2017 Big Ten Wreslting seeding meeting, former Michigan head coach Joe McFarland and former head coach Barry Davis (both men, I have great respect for personally and professionally) asked PSU coaches “Is Nick Suriano wrestling?” Part 1

 

 

@mm_mccutcheon

 

This thread is not true. It’s actually funny. I still remember watching nick wrestle with Cael in the “Dojo”the day before weigh ins testing his ankle out in an attempt to wrestle. To call it “gamesmanship” is laughable

 

 

@mm_mccutcheon

 

He did everything in his power to wrestle for the team but in the end decided not to. It was far from gamesmanship.

 

 

 

@BaybeeMarky_PSU

 

One of the reasons I love Nick Suriano so much. Dude’s a dawg

 

 

 

@Coach_Manning

 

Nick had broken his ankle and had no intention in competing in either tourney. This is what we’re dealing with in consideration to seeding and qualification spots. Part 4

 

 

 

 

@NoBickal

 

Not true.

 

 

Another case of someone spouting off about something they really don't know about. Sometimes it is better to just stay quiet instead of just throwing **** out there. 

Why was this ill advised?  You can't criticize PSU or upset them, oh no!  Why did Suriano transfer out again, because Cael handled it perfectly??

Manning's point was the coaches he mentioned asked Cael at B1Gs if he was wrestling so they could seed appropriately and Cael was not truthful as he didn't have any intention of wrestling at B1Gs as he couldn't even go 2 weeks later at NCAAs.

I've come around on Lewan.  It's almost performance art at this point.   Sure a 2-1 match isn't as exciting as a 14-13 match, but what about 5 consecutive?  Do you know how hard it is to win five 1 TD or OT matches to win an NCAAs.  That is not easy to do, even the great Cael Sanderson couldn't do it.  

Is there really a point to looking to next year with the transfer rule?  PSU has 2 guys who AA'd at other schools last year and a #2 seed who was RS at another school last year.  3 new AAs that no one would of predicted at this time last year.   Michigan brought in 5 AAs from other schools.  Iowa got 2 AAs from NDSU. 

Next weekend is more of a recruiting trip for some schools. 

16 minutes ago, fishbane said:

To me the takeaway isn't to fire Brands, but that Zalesky probably didn't deserve to be run out of Iowa City like he was.  

 

Zalesky's results after leaving Iowa City almost prove the opposite.  If he was an elite coach, he would of had more success and not be at the D2 level now. 

After Gable's recruits left, Zalesky's results don't stack up.   He inherited a great dynasty and it was behind  Minnesota and Ok St. before he left.   Brands has the 2nd best program right now and that wasn't the case when he took over.

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

What % is Mekhi?

Is he not 100%?  If not then I think we can write Starocci's name in Pen.

2 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Cardenas took Beard to OT, and Hidlay destroyed Cardenas.  Don't see it.

I took the former teammates factor was in reference to Beard beating Brooks not Hidlay.

I don't see that either.

To me. Brooks v. Hidlay final is next topic. 

Good list.

I would add Starocci if he doesn't look 100% v. Mekhi.   If Carter looks like his himself then I don't think this is a match but I wouldn't rule out Mekhi vs. an 85% Starocci.

7 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Feldman schedule is far and away the most difficult. Though it is not noted, Feldman wrestled several of those  matches while injured and healing up. I think any of those top wrestlers with his schedule would have the same amount of loses. So its hard to compare. One good reference is Davison . Feldman has beat him twice while he was ranked in the top 8. Yonger wrestled Davison and it was a 1 point very close match and it was a good match. I don't care where he is seeded as long as it in the opposite side of the bracket of Kerk. I think Feldman will compete well with all the other heavy weights.

Seeds are not predictions. 

Feldman is coming on strong at the end of the year and may finish 3rd but he won't be seeded 3rd.   Comparing transitive properties of matches and ignoring Feldman's CKLV is not how the process works (yes, I know he got hurt but that is part of the seeding process). 

After I watching the match, I was surprised there has been this much uproar about this match.  Yes, Williams was stalling but not a lot of refs are going to hit a guy for stalling 4 times in a minute.   It stinks but I don't think you will see something like that called in KC either. 

*I don't think they were out of bounds before time expired or there would of been another stalling call.    

I know he was highly ranked out of HS but for a guy to not take a step on a mat for 3+ years and then come back and qualify for Nationals is crazy.  

I think we will see an KOT/Carr semifinal unless the committee intervenes to separate them.  It would be inconsistent from how they seed other brackets, but could happen as consistency and NCAA wrestling brackets usually are not used in the same sentence. 

2 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Kerk smashed Wyatt earlier this year. You must have missed it.

It was an exhibition and does not count for seeding.   This is a topic on seeding, you must of missed it. 

12 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

That, plus being an unbeaten Big 10 champ,  is enough to make him the #1 seed.  It shouldn't matter to Bastida where he's seeded since he's already beaten the likely #3 and #4 seeds. 

 

The B12 was the better conference at 285.

It probably doesn't matter to Younger where he is seeded, that is not the topic.  There will be 330 wrestlers in KC in 2 weeks that don't care where they are seeded.  

125 - Richie Figueroa - Honestly no idea and I predict chaos. Figs was the most realistic chaos outcome I could predict.

133- Fix - He looks better this year and I think he gets finally gets it done.

141 - Mendez.  Very impressive B1G tourney.

149 - Ridge. - Most well rounded Folkstyle wrestler in the bracket.

157 - Levi - Has separated himself.

165- KOT - Not counting out Carr but he didn't seem close to finishing on KOT

174 - Carter - I don't buy into the drama. He seems like he wanted to go this weekend so knee isn't as bad as feared, was likely only held out for own protection.

184 - Keckeisen - picked apart Plott and has beaten #2, 3, 4 . Impressive season. 

197 - Brooks.  Finals are next topic Brooks v. Hidlay. I think Hidlay has a legit chance but I can't pick against Brooks

285 - Kerk.  Exciting to see if Younger can make it a match but edge to Kerk as his is more well rounded. 

Davis should be the #1 seed. 

But I don't believe 125 seeds really matter after the first round anyway.