Dogbone

How does anyone give what Minnow says any creditably?  

Let's think about.   He wants us to believe:

1) the AD at Wisconsin has an open door policy and will just take meetings with club coaches of non revenue sports whenever asked?   Ben isn't getting past the secretary who has no idea who he is and even if Ben has a direct line to the AD, that AD is managing 20 some sports and isn't taking the time out of his day for a bitch session.

2) That Ben scheduled this meeting to bad mouth Bono and then told it to enough people that Minnow got a hold of it? "Hey guys, I am going to Madison to trash Bono, go tell who ever you want"

Minnow is just throwing stuff against the wall.  Since Wisconsin hasn't fired Bono yet they probably don't plan to so why not make stuff up and hope people believe him.  Kind of pathetic.

2 minutes ago, Threadkilla said:

Bartlett is officially coming back.

Congrats on the new NIL deal Barlett, way to renegotiate! 

As mentioned, MSU has a much better history than what they are producing.  But Minkel was so bad at the end that is looks like Chandler has made improvements. (It helps to follow a coach who got negative points at NCAAs). 

It just seems like apathy has sent in at every level.   Chandler was on staff at the end, how much has really changed? 

Even the wrestling room condition just seems like an excuse.  Every coach talks about being a fundraiser as part of their job.  If it sucks, change it.  It's clear the Administration doesn't care about the results.  The coaches/boosters/alumni seemed to have accepted it as well.   If only the administration would give them a good wrestling room, things would be different...

20 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Willie on HR said that Basset is probably not an Iowa get. Really sucks if true

Did how Spencer's career finished, end up hurting Iowa's image? 

They finished 5th this year, in large part due to the unforeseen and unique to them gambling suspensions, were runner up last year and Champs the year before.  Spencer had a great career just not what he wanted. 

My point is looking at the results they are a a top team and Basset style/aggressiveness has that Iowa Style look to it.   I guess I am just surprised he isn't considering them.  If Spencer went 6/1/1/1 and Iowa won it his last year, does Bo think differently of Iowa?

16 hours ago, ionel said:

Exactly, not exactly a "true freshman" ... well maybe academically but not wrestling.

True Freshman in every sense.  There is no such thing as a wrestling "true freshman".

Should we make NCAA wrestling an "age level" competition so we can stop judging the appropriate age everyone must be to compete? 

Chamizo will be going to the Last Chance Qualifier.   He claims its due to corruption.  Sure seems like a bad call to me. 

On 4/6/2024 at 11:29 PM, Kov88 said:

Who have they tried to get, I honestly don’t know so I’m just asking…. And how reliable are these “accounts”

Piles mentioned Mesensbrink specifically (probably becuase Ben told him) and Ryan's response was "yes, we have looked in the portal! Never said we haven't"

Ryan's issues seems to be they are getting outbid in the portal and he would rather have unlimited NIL than 9.9 scholarship.  None of that has anything to do with Piles original statement.  TR is probably projecting his frustrations after watching PSU set the scoring record. 

125 - Ayala (Iowa)

133 - Crookham (Lehigh)

141 - Alirez (N. Colo)

149 - Ridge (Nebraska)

157 - Shapiro (Cornell)

165 - Haines (PSU)

174 - Starocci - (PSU)

184 - PK (UNI)

197 - Little (Little Rock)

285 - Kerk (PSU)

15 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

For 165?  What about Ruiz?

I am not sure, but Bear Claw did wrestle both 165 and 174 this year and beat Turley at 174 so there could be some flexibility if that comes to be.

Bono has a few years left on his contract and Wisconsin doesn't care enough to pay the buyout.

16 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Facundo's best friend is looking to be the 184lber next season and he is looking to be the 174lber - if Starocci leaves or doesn't come back.  I don't think he leaves.

Bearclaw could be a serviceable 165lber at a MAC or EIWA or SOCON school for a season.  Hell, he is from Utah.  Perhaps Utah Valley for a season?  He does have MFS aspirations, so NLWC/Penn State is his best long-term option though.

The Bearclaw rumor was he was going to transfer to ASU. 

16 hours ago, lu_alum said:

Flip a coin?


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Assign each guy a color, put two balls in a bag and then grab one of it.   Color of the ball grabbed gets top half.

Has to be plenty of those laying around somewhere. 

Isn't no show the only real option.  It has to be 99% he no shows and 1% he shows.

Oops. Missed @BloodRound thread that was before mine.   Apologies.

Penn announced that Matt Valenti will succeed Reina after 1 year as a coach in waiting.  

https://x.com/PennWrestling/status/1775901141735485946?s=20

https://x.com/PennWrestling/stat

us/1775901141735485946?s=20

17 hours ago, feet2back said:

Rutgers AA 285 Yaraslau Slavikouski enters portal..Michigan likely

Is Michigan likely because they prefer 1 year mercenaries  or is there any actual intel that he is looking there?   Everyone thought Hamiti was Michigan as well but he picked OSU very quickly.

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

 i went back and listened again and agree that it was a little weird (obviously I think the reaction to it is weirder), but there are a lot of things that mitigate the weirdness. 

1) Starocci made a very public display of taking off his brace, so the injury was obviously on forefront of the discussion 2) The comment was prompted by the other announcer asking JB for a comment, which was obviously because starocci had just referenced the OTTs, so he said the first thing that came to mind as a competitor, maybe not smart, but not malicious 3) Burroughs wasn't bragging by implying he might have to play dirty to beat starocci, if anything it was self deprecating 4) Burroughs transitioned to talking about what an amazing career starocci had immediately after the supposedly inflammatory comment, he was trying to get off the subject...

Now there you go bringing facts into this...

8 minutes ago, boconnell said:

I have no problem with him putting his personal twist.  If he said the exact same thing during the match I don't care at all.  If he said 'Welsh should be attacking that leg, I know I would'  Who cares.  That's what he's there for.

But you seriously think a minute after the final while a guy is celebrating his 4th title is the moment for that?  That he should be making it about himself in that moment?  It's just an ego run amok moment.  That moment wasn't about Jordan Burroughs in any way.

Ego run amok!?! DC asked him the question. JB didn't select the timing. 

3 minutes ago, boconnell said:

I agree that when a CB goes down in a football game they say they would go after the replacement. 

You're nuts if you think after the winning play of the super bowl, Tony Romo immediately says 'I could have thrown a TD against that injured CB or his replacement'.  This isn't about contact sports or toughness or whether basketball is soft or wrestling is tough.  This is about how you obviously don't make it about you when someone else wins a title that had nothing to do with you.

No Tony Romo would of done it before the ball was snapped

Every single color guy is asked questions like "what would you do here?"    DC did that and JB answered.  Fairly common, and not every color guy is making it about themselves.  Some people don't like JB, which is fine, but him doing his job is not making it about himself. 

4 minutes ago, boconnell said:

He shouldn't have.  He should have kept the focus on the guy who just won his 4th title instead of helping DC drag the focus away into an imagined beef.  I don't blame PSU alum/fans/wrestlers for being bothered by it.  And I rooted against PSU in every match that entire weekend.  But I can't imagine the announcer immediately after the NBA finals conclusion saying that he was going to go after an injury in that summer's olympics.  And if that happened, it would be a huge story and the guy who said it wouldn't be able to blame it on the question that was asked.  JB's ego made it about him, and now people don't like that.  Oh well.  

I don't think basketball players are known for their toughness so now I get why people are upset if that is their standard.

In football, every time a corner goes down the announcers/former QBs say they would go after the backup.  If a Dlineman doesn't seem 100% they say they would attack that side of the field.  I guess every commenter/QBs who does football games makes it about themselves too according to basketball announcers.

MMA Color guys are consonantly talking about how they would attack a guy.  It is there job, same for JB and DC.

5 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

I’m sorry is JB above criticism?

 

No. But he is being "criticized" here because DC asked him a question and he gave an honest answer.   I guess, Bo and the PSU crowd can't enjoy having two 4-timers and setting the team record so they need to whine about something.  Seriously, it was one throw away line that wouldn't have gotten much attention until Bo decided to call it out. 

JB is a ruthless competitor, he isn't trying to be miss congeniality and well liked by his peers.  But he is good for the sport.

Feel free to criticize him, just have an actual complaint and not "his answer to the question wasn't nice and made my feelings hurt" because people are pushing back on that one.

Last year, Gabe Arnold got into with Starocci on X when in HS and Starroci took issue with it, now Starocci is calling out JB (for answering a question on the air) before accomplishing anything on the senior level...  Hypocrisy much. 

19 hours ago, lu_alum said:

Reposting my comments on another thread:

Jordan Burroughs: I just don't see it happening.  Too much to ask of the old guy.

What tough tourney did JB just win?  If you're referring to Yasar Dogu, the field was watered-down because it was not a ranking series event this year. 

He hasn't made scratch 74kg since he lost the OTT to Dake in April '21.  His two recent events at 74kg (Yasar Dogu, March '24; Kunaev, Nov '23) were both single-day events with a 2kg weight allowance. 

74kg was always a tough cut for him. At the OTT, He'll have to make scratch weight both days AND win the challenge bracket.  Going back to when he first made a World Team in 2011, Burroughs has NEVER had to go through a challenge tourney bracket to make a World or Olympic team.  He won the US Open in 2011 to get a bye, and This year, he'll have to go through the following just to get to Dake:

• 2023 Bill Farrell champion – Jason Nolf (Nittany Lion WC)
• 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 165 lbs - David Carr (Iowa State)
• 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 174 lbs - Carter Starocci (Penn State)
• 2023 U20 World champion – Mitchell Mesenbrink (Askren Wrestling Academy)
• 2023 U23 World champion – Keegan O'Toole (Tiger Style WC)
• 2023 Senior Nationals champion – Quincy Monday (NJRTC/Titan Mercury WC)
• 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place – Alex Marinelli (Hawkeye WC/Titan Mercury WC)
• 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place – Alex Facundo (Nittany Lion WC/Titan Mercury WC)
• 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place – Jarrett Jacques (Tiger Style WC)
• 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place – Tyler Berger (Pennsylvania RTC)
• 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 157 lbs - Levi Haines (Penn State)
• Whomever survives the 34-man Last Chance Qualifier bracket (Vincenzo Joseph?)

I get that Burroughs may be too old now, but lets not pretend that he couldn't of won a challenge tournament to make a team after 2011, he just didn't have to.   He sent Dake and Taylor to different weight classes.  

These are just the list of guys in the challenge tournament which always has multiple time NCAA champs.  If JB loses it will be to to father time, not because he had to go through a bracket with Jarrett Jacques in it. 

There are 2 World Champs in the 74 KG bracket.  We can't even get the dang 65 KG weight qualified.   The cut may be too much for him but the decision seems very logical.

On 2/7/2023 at 8:52 AM, MPhillips said:

Rudis

 

Do they still do this one? I just checked and it appears the last one was in 2020 or does Rudis put a different one out on a non-Apple platform?