Dogbone

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

You think stress doesn't age one?  Do you think the Ferrari fiasco didn't age John an extra 10 years?  

Does Cael ever look stressed? 

I don't think stress caused Gable to need a new hip.  

I also never said stress doesn't age one.  I only disagreed with the claim that "every time a coach throws a fit matside (see Gable/Smith) it ages them more" 

I don't think stomping your feet or "throwing a fit" matside ages anyone, especially high level matches.  So we don't acknowledge that.   Gable's body didn't breakdown because of his actions during duals.

Brands isn't getting pushed out.  He still runs the 2nd best program in the country.  That was not the case for Zelesky who also didn't have a dynasty like PSU to go up against.   He took over after Iowa set the scoring record and 3 of his titles were his first 3 seasons after Gable left. 

Never follow a legend.  There is a reason Alabama had to settle for their 4th or 5th guy before hiring Saban's replacement.

11 hours ago, PSULou64 said:

I would say a great stew has to have at least carrots or potatoes.  Having neither is just meat sitting in gravy.

Meat in gravy... You have my attention. 

8 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Yeah but style was relevant in your example. 

To be honest I know adrenaline dumps are real, but I get the impression that the point of your example is to imply that losses under those circumstances aren't valid in some aspect. Feel free to correct me. 

 I just was trying to provide another example of "carvered" that had a different style than the one the OP gave.  Had nothing to do with validity just that Carvered can happen to anyone regardless of the style.  My bad if that wasn't clear.

41 minutes ago, TheDFP said:

It will be interesting to see what weight Brands would want to start at.    Cael has always said start at 125.  Brands needs to get the crowd into it to have any chance of winning more than a match or two.  What weight does Iowa have the best shot?  

 

Iowa always starts at 125 as well so that is what I would expect.

38 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

you're take doesn't hold cause Mark Hall was way less a shootout type guy than Meyer. 

I am saying guys can get Carvered regardless of the style of the match (shootout/chess match, whatever) and not just in the shootout way like Guerrero/Schwab match played out.  It is not the match style but the environment. 

24 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

In that match or Kolat/Ironside, they basically forced super high paced matches because they could win a shoot out but not a chess match, in Ironsides case it was more impressive because Kolat was such a tough handifghter that ironside had to shoot from the outside to keep his offence intact. 

The scary thing about PSU is that most of their guys you would favor in a shoot out or chess match. Who in this dual is gonna beat PSU on pace? maybe 133, 141, 184....not 125, 149, 157, 174, 197, or 285. Caliendo wrestles really hard so I won't put him as a 'no', but I'm pretty sure we're all sorta spooked by messenbrink.

Alex Meyer beat Mark Hall his freshman year and Meyer wasn't a shootout type guy.    I believe as Hall has told his version his adrenaline was too high to start the match and he gassed by the end not because of Meyer's pace but the environment. Carvered.

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Right, but according to rankings it's #2 Davis vs #7 Ayala. Davis is favored by rankings.

13 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I'm not sure I would count this as a Carvering...Bartlett is like 0-3 vs Woods lifetime.

But Bartlett is favored by rankings....

To me, David/Ayala is a toss up and wouldn't count as "Carvered"  That is just me as I think it pertains to upsets, ala Mark Hall

14 hours ago, BAC said:

Yeah, you and Vak could be right too.  It's certainly true that the guys Brooks handles most easily are the guys who actually try to win.  The question is, will Glazier wrestle to win, or to not get majored?  I'm hoping that in a dual in Carver he'll want to go for the W.

I am guessing he will wrestle him similar to his approach v. AJ.   A lot of hand fighting and not a lot of shots hoping to steal a TD at the end.  

My original prediction had Iowa only winning two but I now think either Messenbrink or Kasak get Carver'd and lose. 

Can Arnold only go 1 more time?    I would really like to see him against Starocci after all of their trash talking but I doubt Iowa throws him out there at 174. 

Last years point totals:

1. Penn State 137 1/2

2. Iowa 82 1/2

3. Cornell 76 1/2

4. Ohio State 70 1/2

With PSU scoring 30ish more points this year and the remaining contenders fairly even, 80-85 points gets you a trophy for sure and likely a Silver one.

11 hours ago, Caveira said:

Seeing reports on the minnow page beau at 141 may be ducking woods to protect the #1 seed at big 10s.   Any insiders have any info?

I don't see it.  Regardless, you have to win the B1G tourney to get the #1 seed at NCAAs.   PSU doesn't strike me as a team that cares that much about winning the B1Gs or their seed.  It is all about NCAAs so unless they think facing Woods twice is better than three times (highly unlikely), ducking doesn't provide a benefit. 

Someone is going to finish 8th who thought they had a chance to finish 2nd.   It's that even.   The trophy race (outside of PSU) is going to be fascinating this year. 

As someone mentioned that is a lot of freshman that would not only need to be AA but high AAs to get significant points at NCAAs, but the team is probably stronger since only Surtin graduates.

With NIL and transfer portal you might be able to build a stronger lineup next year with O'Toole and Rocky than the 2026 team with a lot of freshman and KOT and Rocky.

125 Mich dec. 3-0

133 Mich MB 7-0

141 Neb dec. 7-3

149 Neb dec. 7-6

157 Neb dec. 7-9

165 Mich dec 10-9

174 Mich MD 14-9

184 Neb dec 14-12

197 Neb dec. 14-15

HWT Mich MD 18-15

I have it 5 matches to 5 but bonus points the difference.   Nebraska could steal 125 but Michigan can steal 141, 149 and 157 from my prediction so more margin for error. 

25 Iowa 3-0

33 Tied 3-3

141 Iowa 6-3

149 Tied 6-6

157 PSU 9-6

165 PSU 12-6

174 PSU 16-6

184- PSU 20-6

197 - PSU 24-6

285 PSU 28-6

I imagine the extra covid year played a large part along with NIL.  I don't think all of their AAs establish Northwestern North if they didn't have a degree in their pocket.  

NW won't be able to get as many transfers in due to academics so they have to build from within. 

16 hours ago, Le duke said:

Kilkeary hit a super illegal cutback at the PWC and got away with it, winning him the match, so Kilkeary has no room for complaint.


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Is Kilkeary making a complaint?  What's his screen name? 

In the picture provided by the OP, its called Time Expired.  

2 hours ago, PSULou64 said:

If this match has happened last year that exchange is scored differently however, with the new rules regarding control being required, i still think this a neutral danger scenario at which point it's clearly not enough time for the requisite count to be completed.

I know it's easy to hate on PSU but I certainly don't believe they "get" more calls and I know the coaches at PSU are definitely not ref bullies like a lot of other guys out there.  A lot of the comments come across as "sour grapes."  I didn't see nearly as many guys hating on the Woods not pinned situation that happened in the Iowa match last night so maybe there is just a little too much PSU hate going on.

This is just 100% not true. The hand touch rule change was not applicable here.  It was also not neutral danger nor does anyone think it is.  OSU was behind the arms with :05 left then PSU went to his back for a count and got off his back with about :01.  It was an obvious TD.  

It's not PSU hate, its hate toward the official and the ridiculous application of reaction time that had a direct impact on the match outcome.  I thought Woods was pinned too but haven't seen a definitive replay nor would it have changed the match, which is why their isn't as much outcry. 

2 things should happen as a result of the this match:

1) That official shouldn't be allowed to ref big time matches or NCAAs.  It was that bad of a (no) call.

2) Eliminate officials reviewing their own calls.  There is no point anymore and it is just wasting time if they are not going to look at it with an open mind.  I guess it might be too expensive for every match to have an independent 3rd party, but then we need to eliminate reviews because they are currently pointless. 

Can Brian Smith be underrated while also being ranked above Jon Smith??

Can be delicious, but too many empty calories to enjoy on a daily basis. 

The best weekend of the year, wouldn't miss it.