Dogbone

Yep, short guys are not good at wrestling... Everyone knows that height is a big advantage and the tallest guy at each weight usually wins. 

Hopefully Brooks can still AA despite this large disadvantage. 

ISU put out their brackets for wrestleoffs: https://cyclones.com/documents/2023/10/18/Wrestle-Off_Brackets.pdf

No Cody Chittum

No FeldKamp

Younger up a HWT.  

https://btn.com/2023/10/17/big-ten-network-announces-2023-24-big-ten-wrestling-schedule/

I'll take Brooks over AJ at 197.

Is AJ a lock to get admitted into Iowa?  If he didn't leave OSU in good standing academically or was kicked out, it could be an uphill battle with the Iowa admissions office. 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:21 AM, VakAttack said:

The victim can not withdraw the charges, they are not technically parties to a case, they are witnesses.  The case is typically the state vs. the individual.  They can ask that prosecution be dropped or recant their allegations, but prosecutors get the final call, they have to decide if they feel they can prove the case.

 

It seems the alleged victim didn't want to testify, for whatever reason, so the prosecution dropped the charges or do you have a different read on it?  Obviously we are all speculating but curious your opinion on the legal case (not the alleged assault)

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Iowa released a statement saying (paraphrasing) “they have received the penalties from the NCAA but are not releasing names.”

Did ISU do that?

 

To my knowledge nothing since May when they basically said  “approximately 15” student-athletes from football, wrestling and track and field may have violated NCAA rules."

Gomez is obviously a title contender.

The only team race is for spots 2-4.

Whether the  road to the Olympics or NCAA Finals is easier it probably depends on his draw at Pan Ams.    If he gets on USA side, then NCAA Finals is more likely.  If not, then Olympics is more likely.    If we are saying better odds, then NCAA finals as that has a higher probability regardless of his Oly qualifer draws. 

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I thought he wasn’t technically facing any NCAA penalties because the alleged crimes happened while he was not a student?

I think that is what some speculated but the NCAA has never released anything publicly, even against Iowa.  The Iowa suspension only come out from speculation and the Nelson Brands tweet but I am not a aware of a public statement that names or clearly states anyone(s) actual suspension.

Everything has been quite with Iowa State so less facts are public but we do know the NCAA was investigating ISU wrestlers and Johnson was charged with a crime.  That doesn't mean he would face a suspension but also I don't think he is definitely in the clear unless the NCAA backs off all gambling except for on you own team. 

I am skeptical that this will help the Iowa and Iowa St wrestlers.  Mainly because this would require the NCAA to be reasonable and thoughtful regarding the severity of the punishment with the rule be broken. 

9 hours ago, Maxwell Smart said:

Other teams don't get the top recruits that the Hawkeyes do.  

Recruiting is part of a coach's responsibilities too.  Not sure why it gets discounted. 

The interesting thing with regard to Spencer is (I believe) he signed with HWC through 2028.   If Terry leaves I doubt his contract with HWC would allow him to leave.  I am sure they would work something out (if Spencer even would want out) but Terry leaving could have a greater impact on the HWC than the Hawkeyes.   

Wow.  Good for Standford. 

I don't know any of the details but that seems like quite a coup to get Ayers to leave the east coast. Doesn't his daughter wrestle on Princeton's club?

7 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Really? They only picked up Nagao, Messenbrink, Truax, and Kerkvliet?  I'm not missing any, am I?

Those 4 could realistically score ~65 points.

I don't think Iowa's transfers will score that many.

Michigan's transfers would probably be the contender, but I could be missing another team. 

On 9/10/2023 at 8:44 AM, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

An Iowa team starting 70% transfers...or 80% if they do get Wittlake...what does that say about the Brands' ability to attract and develop their own talent?

Iowa is becoming a team of mercenaries, all for the sake of trying to win another NCAA title.

 

 

NCAA points from transfers in KC: PSU > Everyone else...

You have to think Ramos is the front runner.  I would guess they will interview him and see how the season goes, while doing a national search to see if any Homerun hire want the job. 

I doubt they pass over Ramos for another assistant (I don't think Cunningham is viable but I suppose he would be the exception).  

I thought Koll just got a re commitment from Stanford after he flirted with the OU job so that one seems unlikely (but what do I know). 

Esposito is taking the USA Freestyle development job and rumors are Coleman Scott is returning to be head coach in waiting.  

Who does UNC hire?  Assuming Ramos has the inside track, especially this close to the start of the season.  Any other potential names?

2 hours ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

Wow! I have to agree with you!

 

This is where I stopped reading... JK.

In all seriousness, I understand your point and agree that University Presidents/Chancellors care more about  academics than athletics and value the research dollars and ability to bring in the best professors as it has the greater chance to improve their academic reputation/ranking.    I believe schools have experienced an increase in enrollment when they have had national success in football/basketball so I do think you can make an argument for the 5 star QB, but your point, especially the long term viewpoint remains.

Being included in the Big 10 academic alliance is a big deal for them, no question. It is one of the reason any President/chancellor the Big 10 ask to join is going to accept. 

BUT it is not the sole criteria for the Big 10 conference to invite new members as Stanford would bring more to the table both academically and overall athletic success.   It's football that is driving the bus.

13 minutes ago, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

Financially, which would you rather have as a University President

Are we pretending Universities are run like for profit businesses or like public institutions?   Not sure I follow the financially part of the question. 

Every time conference realignment comes up:

Everybody else outside of wrestling: Silence

Wrestling Community:  Maybe this new school will add wrestling. This could be great, just think if "X" was the coach

Everybody else: Still silence

Wrestling community: but maybe?

Everybody else: And dilute all of this new money on a non revenue generating sport, why?

/end scene.

Until another school gets added to the B1G or B12, then repeat. 

I wish it wasn't the case, but I don't see any of the new schools adding wresting. 

1) Star

2) Brooks

3/4) Carr/O'Toole - I get O'Toole won the last and most important one but was still 1-2 v. Carr this year. I don't think O'Toole goes 3-0 against him next year so these probably flip flop on who won last.  I would put Carr slightly higher since we has the winning record H2H but know that is a minority viewpoint.

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

https://rokfin.com/post/144094/TFW-Paniro-Uncertainty--Cadet-Worlds-History

(paywalled)

Thanks!

The one thing I would clarify is the ~20 bets with the Draftkings ID in the complaint are not the totality of the alleged bets. So not $2K a bet.

Most likely they are just the ones where they think they can prove it was him making bets under his mom's account.  The complaint alleges that the bets were placed on his phone in locations where only he should be (not available to the public) so I am guessing that is why those particular ID are listed in the complaint.  

4 hours ago, fishbane said:

The complaint did not have specific dates for the draft kings transactions in question.  Whilst some may infer that 10/31 would have been the date of one of the bets, but there is nothing explicit in the complaint to confirm or deny that.  Even if there is someway to find the dates of the referenced draft kings transactions it says that is an imcomplete list.  

 

That is true with regard to the complaint but the Draftkings ticket IDs are known and the State does have those dates.   We (message board readers) just don't know if they occurred when he was a student or earlier if that period is subject to NCAA rules. 

The State of Iowa is only charging him with is Tampering of Records by falsifying his identity between 8/25/2021 - 10/31/22.   He was a student from at least August - October of 2022 so there is a some potential overlap. 

The State might not even care if a bet was placed when he was subject to NCAA rules; if they can prove he was the one making bets (falsify ID) they could prove their criminal case.

It does seem that Paniro is in some legal trouble but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in trouble with the NCAA, even if he is guilty of the aggravated misdemeanor crime.

18 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Would 11/5 be the relevant date though?  I assume he is on some amount of athletic scholarship.  He would have been on campus taking classes courtesy of the athletic department starting 8/22.  

Certainly some NCAA rules reach back before enrollment.  I don't know when gambling becomes prohibited by the NCAA.  When the recruit signs their letter of intent?  When the recruit enrolls?  When they first start classes (~8/2022)?  When they start official practices (~10/2022)?  When they first compete officially 11/5?

My instinct is that it must be before the first competition.  

It would be hard to argue the time period he was a student athlete (but prior to competition) is not relevant, especially if he is betting on ISU events during that period. 

It's also important to separate the criminal changes from NCAA violations. 

Best case:  Paniro denies all criminal charges and remains innocent until proven guilty until he is found not guilty or takes a plea deal on lesser (non NCAA violation type) charges.   Then I don't think (total speculation on my part) the NCAA would have any grounds to suspend since all of the betting took place under someone's else account (i.e. no proof he actually committed a violation).