TylerDurden

I'm assuming he didn't develop a skin issue on the way to Columbus, so my guess is they either 1) didn't check beforehand so they didn't know (unlikely, IMO); 2) thought he'd pass the skin check; OR 3) were playing 3D Chess because they knew about the skin issue, knew he wouldn't pass the check and still only took him at 141 to perfectly execute the duck and make it look like it wasn't there choice. The dual turned out to be much more interesting than it would have been with a full Michigan lineup, though I have to credit Ohio State. OSU ran out two true freshman, three RS freshman, and a sophomore against a lineup where almost everyone could be enrolled in continuing education courses, plus the two kids they tutor. Ragusin was super composed in his match with Bouzakis. That was a savvy veteran win. Gomez was pretty impressive. Hepner v. Mantanona was fun. Rogotzke dismantled Bullock Feldman's win over Davison was entertaining. Davison looked much larger, much like Kerk appeared against Davison.

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I know this is a Cinnabon thread, but the fact that we're even entertaining the idea that PSU could be in play for 70% of the individual national champions speaks to the current state of that program. I do not think seven is going to happen, but IMO they have guys at 157, 165, 174, 197 and HWT who could win the title and are big favorites at three weights. Hell, there is a chance they could put seven in the finals if Bartlett and Truax come through. Ten AAs is on the table, for sure. On first thought, I see them like this: 125 - wild weight, but I don't think Davis is a sure AA, much less a national champ. - R12/Low AA 133 - Nagao would need some things to go wild in the bracket to win, but he's a dangerous wrestler who can ride. - AA 141 - Bartlett is good and is going to AA, probably pretty high and could even make the final. I'm just not convinced that he's going to beat Woods and/or Mendez in the same tournament. IMO his style makes him vulnerable to close matches versus guys like Happel, Jack, etc., which makes for a tough NCAA tournament. - AA 149 - Kasak/Evans, whoever, isn't winning the title. If it's Kasak, I think he's likely a R12, mainly because I don't think 149 is all that daunting this year and there are a ton of young guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he snuck into a low AA - R12 157 - Haines could win it all, though there are plenty of landmines at 157. - AA 165 - Mesenbrink is 100% a title contender, but beating Carr, O'Toole, Hamiti is a tall task and he'll likely need to beat at least two of them in the NCAA tournament. After watching him dismantle Amine, I wouldn't put it past him. - AA 174 - Starocci is the favorite. - AA 184 - 184 is pretty fluid, to me. Truax is a likely AA and could make the final with the right draw. AA 197 - Brooks is the favorite - AA HWT - Kerk is the favorite - AA

I can promise you the type of person you just described is not at all limited to people younger than 40 years old.

Lemley was one of the guys who impressed me against Penn State. I think he's a guy who has the potential to be a multi-time AA. As good as he is now and will be in the future, I don't think he's quite ready for this version of Jesse Mendez. I know Lemley's close match with Bartlett opened some eyes and probably elevated him to a lot of folks, but Bartlett's style welcomes close matches while Mendez is trying to wreck everyone in front of him. Mendez has bonus points in 15/18 matches this year. He's majored Hardy, majored and teched Cornella, and has two wins over Jack (including a fall). He also beat Happel (who majored Lemley) in the dual with UNI. I'm not saying there's no chance for Lemley to keep it close, but it's going to take a pretty big effort, thus my guess of a major. Frankly, if Ohio State and Penn State were wrestling this week, I'd be tempted to take Mendez by major over the version of Bartlett we saw against Lemley.

125: DeAugustino dec McCrone 3-0, Michigan 133: Ragusin dec Bouzakis 6-0 Michigan 141: Mendez major dec Lemley 6-4 Michigan 149: Gomez dec D'Emilio 9-4 Michigan 157: Lewan dec Wilcox 12-4 Michigan 165: Amine dec Hepner 15-4 Michigan 174: Griffith dec Welsh 18-4 Michigan 184: Bullock dec Shumate 21-4 Michigan 197: Geog dec Striggow 21-7 Michigan 285: Davison dec Feldman 24-7 Michigan I'm a bit surprised I'm picking such wide of a margin on my first run through, giving 8/10 matches to Michigan. I guess I'm hedging and taking experience over youth and giving every match I would consider a toss-up to Michigan. I don't have a ton of confidence that it goes this way in the end. OSU is at home and it's a rivalry. I can envision a scenario where Ohio State gets off to hot start, sweeps every match from 125 through 149 and wins the dual.

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At least part of the motivation to increase the value of a takedown was to motivate both wrestlers to pursue takedowns (create action) throughout a match. The situation you described does just that. Technical Falls, as opposed to major decisions, show dominance, i.e. technical superiority. Majors reward something short of dominance, but the increased takedown valuation requires a shift in match strategy to either secure or eliminate the eight-point margin. I personally find that much more interesting for the drama and strategic adjustments it requires.

You've just described a feature, not a flaw.

The problem with this take is that the majority of Michigan wrestlers did not attempt attacks, so it's pretty tough to argue that they used the position as any sort of setup. As a stall, sure. Maybe they had a bad night. Maybe they were scared of their opponent's abilities. Maybe they don't trust their ability to get a takedown. I don't really know what the rationale was for that approach, but whatever it was, it definitely wasn't successful.

I do not hate Michigan, I actually think they have a nice team, but the majority of their guys didn't attempt anything resembling an offensive move last night. PSU smoked them last night, and it wasn't because of reattacks. You can't reattack a collar tie.

On that note, can we talk about how passive Michigan was? I realize PSU is really good - I even suggested they could shut Michigan out if they wrestled all their guys, and they damn near did anyway - but in the majority of matches it felt like we were watching paint dry because the Michigan guy was blocking and refusing to engage. Ragusin and Lemley actually wrestled to win and you can probably include Bullock, but man, the rest weren't doing much even when their corner was begging them to try something. Rivera was being kind to the Wolverines, IMO.

Yes. Starocci was clearly ducking. He's scared. Thanks for the thread.

Almost did

We didn't get these matchups....but that was damn impressive from PSU. Lemley was impressive in defeat and Ragusin looked good for Michigan.

Any reference of a Marinelli match during the NCAA tournament is moot.

You definitely did that. If these are the actual matches, PSU has a non-zero chance of shutting them out. Do I think a shutout will happen? No, I do not. Would I be completely shocked? No, I would not. It would be one of the most impressive things I've seen in college wrestling if PSU would shut out a team with as many good wrestlers as Michigan.

That's the system. You don't have to wrestle to win matches. I'm not knocking the strategy because the rules allow it, but you absolutely don't have to attempt a single offensive move if you hold center and push. I'll hear an argument that underhooking and pushing are offensive, but then I get to argue which definition of offensive we're using.

Transferring to Indiana. Confirmed.

I might be out of the loop, but I'm assuming a result like this keeps Seltzer on the bench if that wasn't already the case, yes?

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I wouldn't change the points for a major or tech. We're now valuing one particular action more than it was previously and have elevated it relative to other scoring maneuvers. If you adjust the margin for bonus decisions, you're essentially asking for the matches to be valued the same way as they were before, which flies in the face of adjusting the value of a takedown.

I think I got everything correct. These are all of the upcoming matches/events that are listed in the two items flyingcement posted in chronological order. Set your DVRs

Rich or wealthy are indeed relative definitions. Let's not forget that many private schools offer scholarships and vouchers exist in many places to offset/subsidize costs. It's not a secret that top athletes tend to find their way into private schools if those private schools make athletics a priority. Good athletics programs are a recruiting tool for both private and public schools around the country. Finding a way for top athletes to get into your school is good business.

And it's not Nos. 2, 3, 4 or 5.