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He literally cited the Congressional Budget Office... That's analytical, not emotional. You really struggle with your reading comprehension, don't you?

That...was particularly screwed up....

Egypt has taken in over 100,000 Palestinian refugees. None of this addresses the point that @Caveirais arguing... which is that this can't possibly be STARTING to look like a genocide(I believe that was teh word I used) and simultaneously creating more terrorists... and this makes sense when you get all your information from Twitter.

You're illiterate. Read closer, then answer MY questions.

Jesus... and you're the type of people who talk about OTHERS with TDS. THIS is Trump derangement syndrome. You may be shocked to learn, this actually started BEFORE Trump became President...and sure, his idea to take over Gaza and turn it into the "Riviera of the Middle East," may be...just comically stupid, but... yeah, you found a way to somehow make Trump the victim in a topic not about him.

Well, this doesn't even begin to address the moronic argument you made or the point I made, but there are millions of Palestinians living in other Muslim Countries. Your inability to answer a SIMPLE question despite approaching this entire conflict with such a moronically simple perspective is almost impressive. 'Err...if it's a genocide, how could you create more extremists.' Because you somehow don't know what the term genocide encompasses. But lets operate under the assumption that they haven't taken a SINGLE Palestinian refugee. How does that change the argument I'VE made? Think REAL hard and see if you can come up with a coherent response this time.

This is what makes you and Husker talking about how stupid the left is...absolutely HILARIOUS! You heard this "in the background to hearings," and you believed it? About Medicare Payment...overseas? By the way, why are subsidies for OIL companies considered... fine, but these just ridiculous, fake numbers that you listened to "in the background," and believed. Talk about misinformation. This is on par with the "hundreds of millions" of people 150-200 years old are getting social security payments.

What are you even trying to say here? Who is "grifting" here? Who is benefitting financially? You don't know..."b/c you don't care about lying," or just mindlessly repeating what others have said and then passing that off as your own words.

I'll address each point in order they're in bold. 1-Did Israel act in bad faith or did Arafat first? For starters, after these agreements, Arafat gave a speech inferring this was a temporary cease fire, not any sort of meaningful peace or...basically just a pause to a feud that's been going on for....well thousands of years, but just in it's current setting over 60 years. But sure, the Israelis did act in bad faith by not releasing the agreed upon Palestinians, expanding settlements...in other cases they were VERY slow in pulling back on settlements...and finally, Netanyahu said he'd "de facto ended the Oslo Accords." I could go into the reasons to not believe Arafat or maybe more importantly, the number of Palestinians who were OUTRAGED that they'd even publicly recognize or speak about peace as their ONLY goal is to eliminate the State of Israel. 2- First, quick side note, when you say WE play such an important role, I'd say the biggest obstacle is Iran. You look back and the Peace Treaties that we've signed that have been of any consequence, Camp David...Oslo...you've gotten Egypt, Jordan...the Abraham Accords were...actually counter productive as they excluded the Palestinians and angered them, but it was....something at least. You got more Nations starting to normalize trade. We need the Saudis to do the same(for what their word is worth). 3-How many time though? How long do you just sit there when your neighbor KEEPS attacking and...if there is ANY breakdown in security, they are willing to die to kill as many Jews as possible? And this isn't an outlier, this is the vast majority of Palestinians want the State of Israel gone. I don't see Peace until Iran is taken back by it's people. The Palestinians frankly... need to lose all hope. And they haven't, they've been raised to fight the Jews. The Israelis have been raised to DEFEND Israel. There's a difference. In any event, there's such a distrust between the two sides, I don't believe Arafat acted in good faith and...you're objectively right, Israel did as well following the accords. 4-A failure in defense...but while this may be a crude analogy, it's like keeping an aggressive snake in a cage. If the top is loose in the least...and it can get out and attack and it will. So sure, it was a rare failure on Israel's behalf...it was NOT a rare attempt on behalf of Hamas. But this then brings us to the "Open Air Prison" people claim Palestine was subjected to. They weren't. It's absurd. Israel pulled out, gave them the opportunity to build a Government, a state...and the money just POURED in. I believe it was 33K dollars a year PER capita in Aid. Palestine(and when I say Palestine here in this context, I AM referring to Gaza...which isn't accurate, but to be clear here) had ALL the resources they needed...but because Israel had a closed border, it was a Prison? Well...Egypt did as well. We're repeatedly tried to hand over security of Gaza to Egypt. Israel doesn't WANT to be responsible as it's a no-win situation for them. But even after Egypt was offered to have their CRUSHING and MASSIVE debt forgiven...they still said no. Why? Because as Egyptian officials put it, "we don't want to end up like the PA, thrown from the rooftops of buildings. 5-I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be condescending, but to me this reads like you're putting your child in a room with all it's toys, giving them just...almost endless resources and doing the... permissive parenting. Just accepting that Hamas will continue to try and plot terrorist attacks and again, seek to destroy the State of Israel. The difference is...if you do that with a child, you get an annoyed and spoiled child. When you do this with a terrorist organization, you're... playing with lives. I'd also argue this is LARGELY what Israel has done for decades. They've been FAR more restrained than the US would have been... than any other Country would have been. You're holding Israel to an incredibly high standard. I'm generally pretty opposed to the CIA getting involved in regime change, but if EVER there was a case for it...it'd be Iran. That is the head of the snake...IMO. Another place would be Russia, but that's not as easy. -Mostly, I just don't believe that would work. I think every period of peace is just Hamas planning it's next attack. I ALSO look at how far Israel has gone and I can say I think...THIS is too far(which for some reason is too much for @Caveirato wrap his head around as he thinks Genocide means killing every single person). Also, did Israel not do pretty much JUST what you're suggesting when they pulled out of Gaza in 2005, removed Settlements and left Gaza to be self-Governed? That led to the election of Hamas. This is about Islamic Fundamentalism. If you could revive the "White Revolution" in Iran...get rid of that oppressive, regressive, violent and insane theocratic rule and hand the power back to the people, there'd be no greater catalyst to a peaceful resolution.

Definite Genocide? Because no, it's not "they're all dead." By by YOUR definition...I don't think there has EVER been a Genocide. Not in WWII with the Jews. Not the Yazidis, not Darfur, not Bosnia or Armenia.... maybe the 3rd Punic War(even then, they weren't all dead... though most and they were displaced.

This is...exactly what I thought when I read your last moronic post. The full understanding of what YOU believe to be a genocide is...they just kill everyone. EVEN operating under THAT logic and saying they're going to kill EVERYONE in Gaza(which I don't think anyone in this thread has said and I certainly haven't)... are you too stupid to understand you still have the West Bank and 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the World? Not to mention, well intended morons from the West with a tenuous understanding of the situation and see the videos of babies with their limbs blown off or other twisted crap. You don't think THAT would radicalize people? Yes...you REALLY can.

The difference between the US TODAY and the US Leadership in the past... this gutless bill. Just a disaster. In the 50s... we did what we had to do to pay down the debt. Now...we're just totally indifferent. People mock Medicare For All...fine. It'll add to the debt. I'd argue that it'd end up saving people a LOT of money in the long run, but...that's the argument. Well, you're 36T in debt, you'll add more this year, the President has literally floated the idea of just...not paying the debt and declaring a type of bankruptcy so he can renegotiate lower interest rates...but we're going to add a bill that adds 5-6T over the next decade. I don't understand how anyone can defend this.

"Nuh-uh," is always a strong argument...

I'm sorry, this just made me laugh. "What the hell happened to Putin." As though...he was a great guy who just suddenly started becoming a bad guy!

Yeah...but that stupid reporter opening their mouth... you KNEW Trump's ego couldn't take that. Just...why? Why antagonize him to go full ret@ard...again?

Really? I thought you'd have just crashed it when you threw Jimmy in there. 'Too incoherent, does not compute.'

LOL...there is none. It's... exactly as you've said, it's her physical appearance. Someone is just very eager to do the, "see, one of them said something," to make some....strange type of larger point. I'm not a particular fan, but be it "trash f-n whack calls," or "trash f-n white girls," you really have to reach and search to find a way to be outraged here! Though it seems like @Caveirais looking hard for those!

#1- So by YOUR logic, Ukraine-Russia is a proxy War, but Israel... who has more US Tech and Weapons isn't us? Cool. Fine. Yes. At this point...yes. How in the hell do you come to this conclusion? "If so they're killing way more terrorists than future ones that can be born." No. Not if so. Work on YOUR terms... and no Math was done here either. "More" is not a Are you having a stroke? Yeah, it's not an either or here sport. I'm not sure why you believe that...my GUESS would mean you have an incomplete understanding of the word genocide, but this is a truly stupid comment. So it's either a Genocide OR "they" just "sit back and procreate little future terror babies." Yup. That... it really in line with the point I've been making. Are you really too stupid to follow what was a very simple and straight forward point? Also, it's amazing how you picked...ONE fn Sentence that you clearly lacked the mental capacity to understand and narrowed in on that as though you decided you were going to argue and then just make the argument up as you go along.

It is. It lost it's designation for...no other reason than to facilitate yet another round of peace talks that were entered into in poor faith leading to nothing and they just haven't put the designation back on. They also have a tenuous grip on the West Bank. I don't know the way out of it though. I DO know we are creating a LOT more terrorists or...extremists each day.

How do you propose that when...they don't seem to want that? They overwhelmingly support Hamas and Hamas has no interest in any peaceful process or "path to statehood," that still includes Israel in the region. They've been given numerous chances to just...form a Government, they were growing. They had more hospitals per capita than almost any other Country in that Region. They had an obesity problem(so the open air prison doesn't really reasonate...at least if we're talking pre Oct 7th). When you choose leaders(and then support those leaders) who's main priority is to go to War until their enemy ceases to exist, there's really not a pathway to Statehood. That said...it IS starting to look like a genocide...and it's tragic watching children die. You don't have to have a strong political leaning one way or the other to see that. But I don't know what Israel is supposed to do. I know people say..."just stop." And they do and they have...and when they do they're just attacked again. I used to think the 'when they start loving their children more than they hate us,' line was...just being cruel. I don't think it is.

That's the rationale behind PSU not forming a Women's Wrestling team? Iowa is...Iowa? Ok...

You forgot 1979 to 1982 SMU Mustangs legend Craig James! In all seriousness, THIS is disappointing. With Iowa leading and building a powerhouse in Women's Wrestling, it's a shame Penn State isn't doing the same. What could possibly be the rationale? Cost? Go to the Fing National Duels, win the money, fund the Women's program... though that's another thread.

...wait, how did we get to early 1980s SMU Football? And no, I don't know what Craig James did... unless you're talking about taking money. Though, that'd be odd given it's legal now and SMU handed out pennies relative to what athletes now make. I don't know if this post is Satire or not.

...and you agreed before changing your mind. THAT is the end of the story.

No kidding. I jumped in at the end and now I'm working my way back and...it's hilarious. I'm pretty sure it's unintentionally hilarious, but I don't know what's going on.