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I compared to who they are replacing from last year. Impact VS previous result.

I could see that. I just don't see him losing to any TIER 5 guy, so that is my justification. What do your tiers look like?

Well I want Zillmer to go there, as well - with Trent. That will make it so they don't miss a beat. Hayden also probably helps Caliendo, Franek, and Sax immediately.

At 77 KG in Greco, yes we do. Former Bronze medalist at that.

Greetings All, @82bordeauxbrings up a good point in this thread. I am curious what people's opinions on tiers for next season are. The way I envision a tier system to be is that you can have a good competitive series with someone in your tier and your adjacent tiers. You typically get controlled or dominated by gents two or more tiers up and you control or dominate gents two or more tiers down from you. Now there are 'fluke' matches which tend to be outliers. Those are typically highlighted by a big move for big points, a Pinfall, or an injury. In a tiers list, we don't include those. Someone who wins a 1-0/2-0 match can also be two tiers up on someone as well - styles make matches. So here is what I have for HWT, I am curious what everybody else's opinions are. I did these pretty quick, and am flexible to move some gents up and down. Pitzer was the perplexing one, to me. I really wanted to split Tier 3 up, however a good way to look at it is I would favor the Tier 3 guys over each of the Tier 5 guys. - TIER 1 - Kerkvliet, Penn State Hendrickson, Air Force - TIER 2 - Cassioppi, Iowa Davison, Michigan Schultzy, Arizona State - TIER 3 - Slavikouski, Rutgers Elam, Mizzou Pitzer, Pittsburgh Fernandez, Cornell Bastida, Iowa State Feldman, the Ohio State - TIER 4 - Luffman, Illinois Nevills, Maryland Griess, Navy Ghadali, Campbell Taylor, Lehigh Gordon, Northern Iowa Catka, Virginia Tech Trephan, NC State - TIER 5 - Doucet, Oklahoma State Wolfgram, West Viriginia Bullock, Indiana Heindselman, Oklahoma Niesenbaum, Duke Copass, Purdue

While I wish him success and do hope that both him and Meredith (SDSU) can qualify and win matches, I don't put him even the tier below those four. I put him at best two tiers away from Cassioppi and Davison - right there with Catka, Trephan, etc. How would you tier the HWT division for next season? Actually I am going to start another thread so we don't hijack this one and I will tag you.

I believe Dr. @MPhillips thought that was stupid and he just wanted to make sure that is what you were actually saying. I might be wrong.

Aside for their last match, which more scored first but was obviously hampered by that elbow injury, Moore had separated himself considerably. Zahid should beat him easily.

O'Toole when he has said himself he plans to go 174 after Mocco isn't there anymore.

Flabbergastedly perplexed as well.

Lewis hates cutting. We aren't going to see him at 74 KG.

I was just saying it in a dick way that Lewis was going 184. There was some smoke there for it last year and this year there seems to be more of it and he is a notorious hater of weight cutting. I hope he goes 184.

Who and how? He is 5-2 the last two years while not even focusing on improving at wrestling. Who were those two losses to? Hunter Catka of VTech and Tyrie Houghton of NC State. Both of them have been focusing on wrestling so I expect them to have improved more amd one of them isn't even the starter for their squad. Right now I believe I am being very high on him with a R12 expectation. If he low AAs I will be ecstatic for him.

Well Gwiazdowski lost to a guy who isn't a Worlds or Olympic medalist. He must surely feel worse because he has more Worlds medals than Fix.

I am starting to think I am wrong here. J/s. There might be smoke there.

How do you think Colon feels. Will Cox have had a bad performance if he loses to Snyder?

Kerk, Hendrickson, Cassioppi, and Davison are all better than him, so how does that work?

I was also thinking sort of the same thing. Chlebove gives me lower tier B12/P12 or MAC/SOCON vibes as someone who might win 30+ matches for them, but will struggle against the elite that are going to hit clean shots and not need to scramble with him.

So Griffith is going to compete at 174 and 184 this next season? I thought it was basically 50/50 on him still going 165 with Amine going 174. Now you're saying he is going to have to wrestle Stalrocci at 174 and Lewis at 184? In any case, Griffith won the 165lb bracket that Lewis was attempting to defend as returning 165lb champion. Lewis did not win that bracket. Griffith is might be able to beat him - just not at 184. I don't see Griffith going to 184 this season.

If we are saying impact from a points added perspective from what they got last season, I am going to say Griffith (if he goes 174, not if he goes 165 and Amine at 174). My next answer was going to be Nevills of Maryland, but looking at it and Jaron Smith went 1-2 last year at NCAAs. I think Nevills has a comparable ceiling to Slavikouski. Slavikouski is replacing a guy in Boone McDermott who went 0-2 at NCAAs. That makes Slavikouski my 2nd option and Nevills my 3rd option. Truax at 184 might win it all, but then his points are comparable. Nagao might get 2nd, but then his points are comparable. Davison might win it all, but then his points are comparable. Jack Medley and Cole Mattin both went 2-2 at NCAAs for Michigan, so DeAuggie and Cannon can improve on that, but it won't be much more. 2 wins-ish isn't as much as Slavikouski or Nevills have potentially. Voinovich might get 6th, but then his points are comparable. Mesenbrink might AA next year for Penn State... but Facundo might also AA next year for Penn State at 165. So... nothing is set in stone there. Mesenbrink could also go 0-2... which would be comparable, right?

I mean... when you pause it there...

Unbeknownstably.

Fix was the three seed and got second. He improved on his seed, so I wouldn't necessarily call that a bad day. Gross had a bad day. 2nd seed to DNP at WTT. Moore and Jackson both dropped a placement from their seeds, with one losing to the 7th seed. Being as one was rather injured, I think the other had the worse day (Jackson).

Undoubtedly.

Seething envy is probably an appropriate word for some. I don't know if that many coaches would be a proper number. If the coaches want what is best for their programs as well they should admire and strive to do the same - or better. I don't know that envy would be a good reasoning or driving factor there.