Scouts Honor

so you are saying b/c it might be easier to score more guys are taking the risk and shooting? this could be true... i still would like to see some data there were lots of come from behind wins... but most times i attribute that to the guy who was behind finally started to wrestle

what if we treated the rtc's like a pro team with a salary cap... and they competed in duals... i know its been tried before... but those weren't affiliated with a school

again, i apologize... i thought you were referring to my post. yes i agree, the pics he posted weren't representative

i dont disagree really but we all KNOW , that stalling isn't going to get called to decide a match... at least not very often

yes, im sorry. I was unclear about my intentions. I am referring to people who want the pushout in folkstyle. I dont think it has really increased action. it has increased scoring... but it has also changed wrestling technique and not for the better

the three point takedown intrigues me, but it worries me, in that it could shut down action ... if it begins to favor defensive/counter guys i like the new swipes... rewards people turning although i know many people whined when the 4 point turn was introduced b/c of the 'cheap' titls.... isn't that the same argument.. you dont want to get laced... keep ankles apart... dont want to get cheap tilted... keep good position and get out not sure about riding time only if you get a turn... i hope it will increase turn attempts... but it may increase stalling on the bottom... b/c i know he wont get a point if I can just maintain my base... again.. it would be nice to see some data on this... or a trial run somehow i have just always been keen to the phrase be careful what you wish for again, scoring isn't going to increase attendance. action is. drama is. (im not sure a stepout in FS has increased this) how do the attendance numbers at US open compare to years before the tactics of a match aren't going to increase attendance.

the 80's called , they want their foreign policy back or something like that another great argument you just made the sad thing... even if we did wrestle FS our whole lives... we still wouldn't understand the interpretations we get... many coaches who have coached for decades still shake their heads... and not just from US refs see kolat, mc, and a host of others but yeah.. you maybe have some kids to invite to a drag show?

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/10917639-d1-coaches-weigh-in-on-ncaa-wrestling-rule-change-proposals some quotes from coaches you know, at least we have people in positions who are looking at the sport through the lens of trying to improve it and trying to increase action. we’re kind of in digestion mode here and it’s all really new and just seeing whether this is going to help our sport. “I think all of these can be summed up with great intention, we’ll see if it lines out to good actions.” was a little disappointed because I don’t know if the rules are going to achieve what they’re hoping.” The rules are big enough changes that matches will look different. (They’re) going to have an impact. You see all the comments that it’s going to help grow the sport. I hope that is the case, we tryin!! “I’m not a huge fan of a lot of them, to be honest. I think the new rules obviously favor a better athlete for sure. You take mat wrestling out of the equation, you take a lot of the conditioning factor out of the equation, it’s not going to be advantage Missouri coach Brian Smith “Are we focused on the ground level, or should we be focused on a 30,000-foot view? The bigger picture is why the decline in viewership and attendance and fans not liking the action or whatever the problem on the mat is? When you go out to 30,000 feet, what have other sports done? The last 3-5 years football, baseball, all these sports have found ways to shorten their events and they’re trying to get closer to a two-hour window. We’re even seeing the purpose of these tournaments don’t matter now, where it’s getting a minimal amount of matches to compete in the tournaments that come at the end. Could this be the issue of why we’re losing fans? he addresses the lack of importance of duals. i agree. but im not solely focused on a dual meet championship. but you would have fewer ducks IF the duals meant something beyond just winning... seeding maybe then says this... and i agree "Are we trying to change the rules within the sport when we need to change how our season and championship is run? That doesn’t mean taking away the crown jewel, the individual tournament. That can still be had pop agrees “The rules are big enough changes that matches will look different. (They’re) going to have an impact. You see all the comments that it’s going to help grow the sport. I hope that is the case, but ultimately, dual meets are what’s going to grow the sport. That’s another topic.” but even these coaches... why cater to the fan who isn't a fan I don’t mind the three-point takedown in the sense that it incentives more risk-taking and hopefully it makes it advantageous and better for the fan who’s not a wrestling fan and comes in off the street and maybe more entertaining for them.” none of them addresses a step out.. but can you at least see what I mean? lets not throw it against the wall and see if it sticks... lets get some data... lets make that data available. back up your claims.

just more opinion

give me some hard data about the 'increased action' from the pushout or the shot clock. increased scoring doesn' t mean action disingenuous. really? why? tell me that guys weren't diving to their knees or running out of bounds... to give up one instead of two? tell me guys were finishing takedowns... instead of just pushing out thats not wrestling and its not action

tell me what about the style of venue creates a non attendance issue

Yes, those are bad angles. I remember hearing some guy on flo...before the matches started... on a hot mike F*** this place is packed. the place looked full. now this was this finals . I watched both days. the place was empty, till the semis and finals. now probably due to during the day. (marketing instance #1) I am not sure what you guys mean when you say the venue does something... to attendance. however, as JB noted above, if it is indeed US, then why aren't we appealing to US? (marketing instance #2) we keep trying to change for something.. but why not market to the audience that is going to buy it? why do we keep trying to get people to like wrestling that dont? i mean.. if you want attendance... do what works? find a way to do teams. and now we are trying to make college like the thing people dont watch? (marketing instance #3) and as far as the step out increasing action in free? it has done so much that had to add a caution and 1 half the time b/c of guys gaming the rule

so there isn't a way for him to make the world team? i saw someone post there is no final x for 57? and that his season is over... what am i missing? i mean he qualifies for WTT by finishing 6th right?

we still have seasoned fans who are stumped by calls and interpretations, as noted in this thread FS is not the way to fix folk. see bergers match.. he takes hidlay down late in the match and to his back.... only got 2... it wasn't really 4 but it was td and exposure only 2, it didn't change outcome..but could have... and slay had been going crazy earlier b/c the score wasn't right a match or two later... similar situation... dont remember who at this time... guy gets two and two... and was less exposure i enjoyed most of the matches(b/c I love wrestling) all day and in the semis .. but you had some snooze fests in there, not just in semis

and looked small next to gable

i have never seen steveson in person, he must be huge b/c i thought parris and wyatt hendrickson were big guys... they looked small

I thought it looked like lee tanked... giving BB more opportunities to get better and wrestle good guys he just didn't do much maybe not.. but he didn't look the same BB is good.. but come on

reminds me of a story when gable was coaching the world/olympic team... not sure which guys were questioning gable 'he won't tell us how many... how do we know how hard to go' iowa guy: you go 100% each time

thats better at least

i do THINK he was a senior who attacked a middle schooler the two in the video. he lost to a middle school kid and couldn't handle it.

Demo Audience Rating 2023-Mar-18L: 2023 NCAA WRESTING CHAMPIONSHIP L: 2023 NCAA WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS HH 297,100 0.24 P2+ 454,000 0.15 P18-49 104,000 0.08 P25-54 158,000 0.13 2023-Mar-17L: 2023 NCAA WRESTING CHAMPIONSHIP L: 2023 NCAA WRESTLING CHAMPIONSHIPS HH 235,200 0.19 P2+ 345,000 0.11 P18-49 111,000 0.09 P25-54 145,900 0.12 2023-Mar-16L: 2023 NCAA WRESTING CHAMPIONSHIP NCAA CHAMPIONSHIPS, SECOND ROUND HH 186,000 0.15 P2+ 251,000 0.08 P18-49 78,500 0.06

even the entire bball tourney was down 7% from last year...

I was thinking more since 1978 when the 5 yard rule was instituted...i started prelim research... and was not very successful,, it's going to take more than a few hours but i like the chart... wonder what caused the decline in 11 and 12 and 16, 17

change for change's sake is bad. things like that get you the 'ball grab' if you have numbers to back up your proposals fine. lets do it. but we aren't seeing these numbers... i mean is it really broke? the numbers went down for viewership one year... does that mean the sky is falling?

yes, this would'nt be hard