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I think it's his more natural weight and he went up to 197 because of Carter. Without a returning starter at 184, he might want to go to the weight he's best at. I agree with the consensus that it wouldn't be what's best for the lineup, but if we're to believe Cael, he lets the guys sort it out themselves.

Yeah, I don't distinguish b/w which coach brought them in. They committed to the university as far as I'm concerned. Thompson wrestled at 184 at two opens last December and faced two D1 opponents. One was a 6-2 decision over a backup from Air Force. I think he has potential, but there's not yet a reason to get one's hopes up

I don't really consider it getting recruited over unless you've proven that you can compete at a high level, and Thompson hasn't done that in college. I think he has real potential, but he hasn't done enough to consider his spot reserved.

the finals match was a dud, but he was solid all year. Only lost to one dude (twice). I guess on the other side there were only three quality guys that he beat, but he beat them each twice. Spratley, Peterson, and Seymour.

The Locked On Nittany Lions guy thinks Josh Barr may go down to his more natural weight and compete for 184 and that played a part in why Zack Ryder hit the portal.

Ha! Thanks, I knew I would make a goof somewhere. I'll put Blaze as my fourth at 157

Predictions for top guys next year 125: Robinson, Lilledahl, Spratley, Figueroa 133: Crookham, Byrd, Strickenberger, Ayala 141: Mendez, Hardy, Ono, Bailey 149: Henson, Watters, Van Ness, Jamison 157: Shapiro, Kasak, Taylor, Vombaur 165: Mesenbrink, Caliendo, Lockett, Steed 174: Haines, Kennedy, Facundo, Norman 184: McEnelly, Ferrari, Welsh, Sinclair 197: Barr, Merrill, Elam, Little 285: Bastida, Ferrari, Kueter, Trumble Who am I missing?

Coby is awesome. Hope he joins his brother in college!

The context of the discussion is about an award for most dominant season. I asked you two questions and you answered neither. Why would a dominant wrestler choose not get 6 points if he is capable of doing so? If Wrestler A has a 100% pin rate for a full season, and Wrestler B has a 100% tech rate for a full season, is Wrestler A less dominant than Wrestler B?

Anecdotal but that happened to Wyatt some this year.

A few more fun facts: Zero takedown matches: Carter 1 (against a true freshman), Wyatt 0 Single takedown matches: Carter 2, Wyatt 1 (against Gable) Overtime matches: Carter 2, Wyatt 0

We're not talking about one-offs. We're talking about a season of dominance. If one guy gets 100% pins for the season and another guy gets 100% techs for the season, you're telling me the pinner was less dominant?

Lol you think Trumble only weighed 205 this year?

Would be cool to see Avg Time on Mat as well

No, you made a separate argument saying you can imagine a circumstance where a pin comes in a non-dominant fashion. You did not contend with my argument for why a dominating wrestler would choose to get 5 points if he is capable of getting 6 points.

A higher frequency of pins in HWT doesn't necessarily prove that HWTs are easier to pin. It's just as likely that HWTs are simply better at pinning. So Wyatt also contended in a class where it was more likely that he could get caught in a pin. What I think is the likely factor is that there are bigger weight discrepancies in HWT. Wyatt is was a midsize HWT this year weighing in the 250s. I'm told he was smaller when he was in the Air Force because of weight restrictions at the Academy, however, he was still a 3x NCAA pins leader when he was at AF.

Contend with my argument then. If pins are worth more and you're the most dominant wrestler, why would you choose not to get a pin? You wouldn't. If you are dominant enough that you can get pins consistently, you will get pins consistently.

And every one of his opponents knew that was his intention. Like smash mouth football, you know what the play is, you just have to try to stop it

Pins are worth more. So if you're dominant enough that you can get a pin, you will do it because it's incentivized. As for Wyatt, he got 13 pins and 8 techs. Please show me which of his pins were not dominant.

those fans would jump to the "techs are more dominant than pins" ship

Keep my wife's name out your ******* mouth

Carter said recently he would go 86

think 285 is a bigger need than 184?

Here's Bo a few days ago. Which is it Bo? Should the award go the most dominant wrestler as intended, or should it go to who Bo thinks is "best"?