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You and me both, brother. I also wouldn't be surprised if she's cleaned her social media up a bit by now to give those against her less ammo.

I don't know if you needed to put it that way.

He went to the PSU board because the PSU fans were attacking her after she irresponsibly posted that she was happy to see Starocci lose. I would have been very upset if my wife made her personal feelings about a teammate of mine public. Her going public forced his hand, either he defends his wife and requests people stop attacking her when they don't understand the background of the situation, or he stays quiet and she continues to get attacked online. She made a huge error in judgement (although maybe not seeing as she clearly aspires to be an "influencer" and now she's getting attention), and he could have not said as much as he did to escalate the situation further. Unfortunately, curiosity got the better of me and I looked at some of "SydErin's" social media posts.. I'm not going to say anything other than it didn't make me think that the severity of Starocci's alleged "transgressions" were anything more than hurting some feelings. He did her friend dirty, slid into different girls DMs, who knows. Wake me up when someone actually has something of significance to say.

Only 3 wrestlers have won more than a single title at 149 this millennium. Metcalf did it 2 times in his three years of eligibility. Retherford did it 3 times, and Yianni did it twice. Don't forget this little nugget about the 2008 weight class that Brent won..

Wait, are Jimmy C and JimmyC actually different people or is this just advanced trolling?

Call me crazy, but if I were Beau I'd be losing my mind right now. Public online disputes benefit nobody but the audience. Beau is now in the middle of a situation he'd probably prefer to have avoided. The whole thing is embarrassing for all parties involved at this point.

My point is that he did not turn everyone he wrestled, and there is a legitimate chance he doesn't turn Spencer Lee. I think people remember his dominance as greater than it was. He had an amazing and statistically dominant season, but people talk like he got on top of McDonough and he turned him into oblivion. He got a takedown and two turns in the first period and then hung onto wrists and stalled the rest of the match. He was taken down in the Patterson match and stalled a good chunk of that match as well. Robles will always be a legend for what he accomplished, but I think time has made him into a more unbeatable wrestler than he actually was. Edit: Also, don't forget that McDonough was a 1x champ at the time who on his route to winning in 2010 only faced 1 seeded wrestler (#5 Andrew Long in the finals).

I think it's more about the fan support and excitement around DT and the OKST program than the payday. And I'm sure after talking with David about his experience so far, it only furthered JB's interest. He mentioned how much he's enjoyed working with some active guys during his year off, and how it's shown him how much he really does enjoy coaching.

Everyone on team Abas is bringing up Lee's loss to Ramos is using one of the biggest upsets in NCAA wrestling history to explain why Lee wasn't better than Abas. The reason that this was one of the biggest upsets is because everybody believed that Lee was untouchable at this weight. Does losing one match change how great of a wrestle he is? No. That's why after healing up for a year, he went on to make the Olympic Finals. Likewise, anyone knocking Abas for not winning as a freshman is ignoring the fact that winning as a freshman in that era was exponentially rarer than it is in today's NCAAs. There isn't a right or wrong answer here, and you can justify it either way. But people are really digging through the weeds to find reasons to deny how great either of these wrestlers are.

I remember the incorrect hand raise. I thought it was just an mix-up. I never knew that the scoreboard was responsible for the mix-up. That makes sense.

Bartlett and not understanding the match situation is a theme in freestyle?

He couldn't turn Patterson or Kjar despite earning riding time in both matches, but he turns Spencer Lee. Got it.

Ah yes, the ragdolling that lead to regular decisions in the quarters, semis, and finals. I'll never forget when he beat unseeded Ben Kjar 4-2 in the semis. Was that the same moment when you realized no 125lber would ever be able to beat him?

I knew nothing about Johnny Thompson before your post and so I went to youtube. 5:40 is pure wizardry. I watched it over and over and still don't know how he thought that would work.. but it did and won him a title. Thompson looks like the archetype of the mid-2000s Oklahoma State wrestler. Great double, nice low-level attacks, and good fakes/movement to setup his shots.

I don't think legends the sport lose their recruiting appeal like guys that just had NCAA success. Even if kids in 10 years never watch a Jordan Burroughs match, they'll still know that he is one of the best to ever do it for the USA and that will carry weight.

I just went back and looked. I did not realize that Zahid was a controversial headgear pull away from being a likely 3x NCAA champion that would have been denied a chance to win his 4th. Great call.

To be fair, there is a good chance that Spencer would have been our rep several times during his college career if he didn't have to spend every off-season rehabbing.

With all the fuss about the ambiguity and lack of criteria with Flo's Quarter-Century team, let's hear your quarter-century team picks led by your heart. Whether your criteria includes nostalgia, homer picks, favorite to watch, accolades, etc. your picks, your rules. Ideally, give a little note for why each wrestler earned the pick from your heart. My list: 125: Abas - the highlights are just too smooth. When people talk about how good of neutral wrestlers California boys are, Abas is the embodiment. 133: JO - similar to Abas, JO had so many ways to score in neutral.. doubles, picks, slidebys, ducks, low singles, and he crunched almost everyone at 133 from top with a cross-face cradle. 141: Stieber - just an all-time favorite wrestler of mine to watch. such a positive attitude in every interview, seemed like an awesome teammate and leader, and he was an absolute hammer. I don't understand how it seems like almost he alone has been able to use the bar-half series in such a devastating fashion. 149: Metcalf - this is a big nostalgia pick for me. Metcalf was the face of Iowa and essentially college wrestling when I first started actively following NCAA wrestling. His pressure and ability to break guys was something I hadn't seen before. A match could be within a point going into the 3rd and then his opponent would break and he'd start drilling takedowns on them for a major, tech, or pin. 157: Nolf - non-stop action, fun scrambles, never a boring match. 165: Dieringer - he'll never be the face of 165 because unfortunately for him, you have the legends of Burroughs, Dake, and David Taylor that all came before him and dominated the NCAA level, and then blocked his path ever making a world team. He's a fairly forgotten figure for how good he was for so long. 174: Askren - if anyone can watch the floflim Funky and not be a fan of Ben's wrestling, that would be shocking. 184: Ruth - one of the most exciting 184s 197: Sanderson - obvious reasons, also not sure who else would be in the running at 197? I never watch Rosholt. 285: Mocco - I haven't watched a lot of HWT from the 2000s but from the flodoc, Mocco sounds like he was a Gable type freak coming into college, and he seems like a really solid dude.

Not a stepping stone program like Kent State. Burroughs name is so big in the sport that he could likely have a shot at just about any job in college wrestling. He won't have to prove himself as a coach by raising a smaller program to success before landing a job at a big time program. I do think Rutgers would be an interesting move given he'd be back home and in a hotbed of wrestling talent. A name like Burroughs attached to the program could potentially keep a lot of Jersey kids from leaving the state.

If you have any idea of the time stamp, I'd love to give it a listen.

My heart picks them as well.

From what I've gleaned, I believe he encourages parents to have their kids just wrestle a normal kids league wrestling season, and not to spend time and money taking them to things like Tulsa, Reno, or other national tournaments where the winning kids are mostly coming from more grind'em young and start winning as soon as possible type clubs. For the AWA model, they don't train their kids at a young age in a way that would make them competitive on the national level. It's not that the younger kids don't compete, they just aren't wrestling 100 matches a year like some. Not that that is relevant to Ben's health. I keep checking here hoping to hear some promising news. Hopefully good news comes soon.

I'm going to do my list based on trying to put together the best line-up of an athlete during the year they competed at the weight class. ie: Kyle Dake is not making the team as a FR at 141 over Logan Stieber, and Dake isn't making the team as a SO over SR Retherford. 125: a healthy Lee - I think it's a toss-up between Abas and Spencer, but with the mat involved, edge Spencer. 133: Vito - I don't think anyone could touch NCAA tournament Vito at 133. The way he dominated Fix in 2023, and then handled 2x defending champ RBY is a legendary run. 141: Stieber 149: Retherford 157: Dake 165: Burroughs 174: Starocci - I'd love to pick Askren, but I think Starocci is too disciplined to start rolling around with Ben. 184: Brooks - I'd pay a lot of money to watch a match between him and Nickal or Ruth though. 197: Sanderson 285: Steveson - in one match, who would you pick to beat a prime Steveson?

Bro, why are you so combative about such insignificant topics? You went on and on about Cape vs Cabo, and now you're digging your heels in about how it's possible that Sergio Vega may not have been accepted to West Point in an alternate universe where he applied? You're trying to play "gotcha" against @BigRedFan by pointing out a hypothetical flaw in his statement that if Vega can get into Cornell that he could likely get into West Point.