JimmyCinnabon

Why does the larger twin not simply eat the smaller one?

A distinction without a difference if you will. Thirty four felony convictions I guess.

The MAGA cult is absolutely something else. It is truly incredible the lengths of disagreeing with reality that you will go to in order to convince yourself that your cult leader isn't a convicted felon. If I did not interact with you people myself I wouldn't believe you even exist out there in the world.

Do you think reality is based on whether or not I decide to copy and paste the felonies Trump was convicted of? I honestly didn't know I had this much power over reality. I guess if I don't copy and paste them they never happened? Is that truly what you think? I'll tell you what. I'll answer your question about civilization if you answer this one. Was Donald J. Trump convicted of 34 felonies or not?

They're going to study the MAGA cult for decades to come, if our civilization is even still around.

No.

I'll tell you what I am not going to do, I am not going to argue with you over the fact that Donald J. Trump was convicted of 34 felonies. It's clear that both you and Ionel live in a world where Donald J. Trump was not convicted of 34 felonies and I am not going to debate a fact with deranged people who do not live in reality.

Yup. You totally got it.

Guy tells us this thread with "Trump admin" in the thread title has nothing to do with Donald Trump. It's an impossible thing to even have a conversation with deranged cult members. They live in an alternate reality.

You're a perfect example of why we can't even have conversations with deranged cult members.

He did commit serious crimes (they're felonies) and he is a violent sexual abuser. Those are facts, there is no may have about it.

Allow me to reiterate. I don't care what laws anyone breaks at this point and it's directly related to your cult leader. If it's good enough for the President of the United States it's good enough for the judge in this instance. Why would I care if this judge broke the law? Our laws are meaningless and this judge should simply be free. Three things will still be true no matter what happens to this judge. Your cult leader will still be a criminal. Your cult leader will still be a violent sexual predator. You will never ever wash the stink of supporting a felon and rapist off of you.

I have no idea what the outcome will be for the judge. I know that Donald Trump will never be held accountable for anything though. He's a felon. Thirty four times over. And his sentence for breaking the law was? Nothing. He received no sentence whatsoever for it. He is also a violent sexual predator who owes the woman he assaulted money, that I doubt he is ever made to pay. So here is where I stand. I don't actually care about a single law anymore. None of them. This judge? I couldn't care less that she broke the law (allegedly). Our laws are meaningless at this point and if the leader of our country doesn't have to follow the law then nobody else should have to either.

Neither is the President of the United States. I think the right has conveniently forgotten that even the leader of a cult still has to follow the law. I'd say we will see him in the back of a cell but it's been made clear that no amount of breaking the law will lead to any actual consequences for Donald Trump, which is exactly what his cult of deranged supporters want.

It seems like I am more of a deontology guy then. That sounds like what I described. I would also agree that at some point there is a threshold where I would become absolute utilitarianism. I would sacrifice the one person to save a million lives. I am not sure where my threshold is though. It's below one million.

The old trolly problem. You know, I've never been able to come up with an answer for that. Are ten lives worth more than one life? I guess you can say they are worth 10x more. I think it's a great philosophical question because I don't really have an answer for it. I lean towards not intervening in the scenario if you put a gun to my head, meaning I wouldn't switch the trolley no matter who it was aiming for. Maybe that says more about me though, in that I wouldn't be able to make the decision to actively kill either the one person or the ten and would just let it play out without me. Maybe I'm just a coward.

I actually think the death penalty can, in some instances, be a motivation to kill someone rather than let them live. It's the biggest reason (outside of putting an innocent person to death) I am against using it for crimes other than murder such as rape or sexual abuse against minors. I think expanding the use of it would actually be worse. If the penalty for rape and murder are the same then what is the incentive to leave a witness alive after someone commits rape? All we would be doing is giving an incentive for someone to kill their eye witness victim because in the end the murder charge wouldn't get them any more of a punishment if caught.

My answer to all of these questions is that no, the death penalty doesn't outweigh killing even one innocent person. Even with DNA evidence you can still have the wrong person. We have had what we consider to be overwhelming evidence in cases before and we were 100% sure the person was guilty, right up until we discovered they were not. It's a slippery slope to say that it's ok as long as we are 100% sure they are guilty, because again we've been 100% sure before until we weren't. Because of that I think the best thing we can do is remove these people from society by locking them up. And if we find out they are innocent later we can attempt to rectify the situation as much as possible.

Why do we need to kill someone to save lives? I understand the argument, but simply locking them in a cage for the rest of their life serves the same outcome. It also allows for a mistake to be corrected if we find out the person is actually innocent. Once we end their life we can't bring them back. I am not sure the death penalty actually serves your point that it will save lives when a less extreme measure accomplishes the exact same thing.

I wish.

Bro I'm dead.

I am not sure I understand this.

This is why I am against the death penalty. It's not that I don't think we have people who deserve it, it's that we cannot guarantee we will not put an innocent person to death. A matter of fact we have put innocent people to death. You gave examples and there is just no way we have gotten 100% of of the death penalty sentences correct. We are always 100% sure that someone committed a crime right up until we find out we are wrong and putting even one person who is innocent to death is too many. Not only that but there is a whole other issue of using the death penalty for other crimes aside from murder that would likely harm people even more.

Is it even a wonder that this guy had a history of stealing cars and now attempted murder? His father makes excuses and enables him instead of instilling values like taking responsibility for his actions. He shot someone and ruined their life. Luckily Sammy Sasso is the kind of person who can pick himself up and will build a brand new life for himself. This guy is doing his son no favors by completely downplaying what he did and volunteering to serve his time for him so he can walk away with no consequences for what he did? He has taken bad parenting up a notch here.

The only teams that are 100% loyal to their guys are programs guys don't want to transfer into.