uncle bernard

They are being asked and are refusing to identify themselves. That's all over the news and a major reason why these protests kicked off.

not debunked actually

You can't say I'm most likely 0-6, then say it's a "Constitutional question that should be dealt with." And even then, they've disobeyed direct orders. That's incontrovertible. If they disagree with the orders, they can go through the proper legal process to dispute that. They aren't allowed to just ignore them and proceed. That's a radical departure from civil norms that directly challenges the constitution.

1) Yes, I have sympathy. Doxxing is wrong. No non-publicly available information should be revealed about those officers. 2) I suggest they do so according to the well-established norms of policing in this country, which means clearly identifiable uniforms, badge numbers, and faces. They should have to abide by court orders and habeas corpus rights. They should only be using force as an absolute last resort. People have been deported from this country for decades and decades. Trump still hasn't deported as many people as Barack Obama. Do you think it's possible that one reason there is such strong resistance to ICE right now is because they are behaving like an American Gestapo? This stuff scares people. We grow up learning about the evils of the SS and KGB. It's not surprising most of the public really dislikes the practices of an agency that, at the very least aesthetically, looks like those evils.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/6-times-trump-administration-clashed-opponents-court-orders/story?id=120846599 6 in here: 1) Deported 100 alleged gang members using Alien Enemies Act. Judge ordered the deportations be stopped. Order came when flight was still in the air. Trump admin first rushed the flight to try to beat the court order, then refused to turn the flight around once the order had been issued. 2) Kilmar Abrego Garcia - illegally deported despite court order (which Trump admin acknowledged) then declined to secure his release and return against the orders of the supreme court 3) Continuing to deport immigrants to third country not of their origin (El Salvador) after Judge issued a restraining order banning this practice until they had their due process right to raise concerns 4) Freezing federal funds and not dispersing to states despite clear court orders to do so 5) Blocking FEMA grants against direct court orders 6) Freezing foreign aid against direct court order

Just as a matter of class, you could try to hide your erection when you post stuff like this.

@Husker_Du @jross @mspart I'd really love your guys' views on this. Again, set aside the deportation issue. For the sake of discussion, I will grant that all illegal immigrants should be deported. Do you have any concerns about this kind of policing? Does it worry you at all? Do you think it's the most effective way to go about this?

Why are ICE agents allowed to do this. Unmarked vans. No badges. No uniform. Ski masks. Arresting people without displaying warrants. Is this an acceptable way to police in a free country? Set that aside. Is this a smart way to police in a free country? How long before an ICE agent gets shot by someone thinking they're being kidnapped? Isn't that exactly what the 2nd amendment is for? If you legally carried a gun for protection, and an unmarked van pulled up next to you, four guys in plain clothes and ski masks jump out and try to grab you, would you not fight back? Next thing you know, you have bullets flying in the streets at any given time, putting civilians, officers, and arrestees at risk. Set aside whether you support the deportations. Is this a good way to go about it? Does this not put innocent people in danger? Does it not erode trusts in law enforcement? Seems incredibly reckless to me.

Is he following the court orders? If not, then he is acting like a king and disregarding the constitution. (and the answer is no, he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies)

Probably because the entire incident is on camera with dozens of witnesses and he very clearly did not assault an ICE officer.

Damn, that's crazy. Remind me, what happened in 2018?

This is just straight up not true. The IAEA were given access to Natanz *during the JCPOA.* Your grand ruler cancelled the deal and re-imposed the sanctions, so they stopped complying. That's how treaties work.

Every single instance listed is either before the JCPOA or after Trump cancelled it. How are you this stupid?

They were literally at the negotiating table when Israel attacked them.

ah yes, everything that doesn't confirm what you already believed is definitely fake and not true. enjoy your pudding. i hear they're doing aquatic yoga today!

Where's that quote from?

what are you mumbling about now, grandpa? natanz was inspected by the IAEA and certified to be in accordance with the deal the entire time.

Any day now!

JCPOA

Yes. We broke the agreement, not them.

Remind me, who unilaterally pulled out of the agreed nuclear treaty despite all its conditions being met?

The year is 2047. The entire world is in a panic. It has just been announced that for the 47th straight year, Iran is mere weeks away from a nuclear weapon.

this video makes one thing make sense, and that this is why your brain doesn’t work. this is schizophrenic nonsense and if it’s typical of where you get your news, your brain is likely mush at this point. his entire argument rests on him targeting her because she voted against the immigration healthcare thing, and then he hand waives away the fact that his first target DIDNT VOTE AGAINST IT, because that was clearly a misdirect. Oh that list of names? Clearly a list of people he was working for/with! Because assassins love carrying around lists of the people who hired them. He goes on this hilarious rant about how people don’t pay attention to the details by showing that his voter registrations in OK show party affiliation but his ones in Minnesota don’t. Clearly they’ve been hidden, and that means he was a democrat! Well, if he was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have done a quick google search and found out you don’t register your party affiliation in MN. Add to this, MN Dems have said he did not vote in their primary while MN Reps are declining to reveal due to “privacy” concerns. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out lol. Just the stupidest people alive.

Lol, you're so defeated. Not a single thing you've claimed has turned out to be true. How long are you going to do this? It's not like him being conservative would completely invalidate conservatism as an ideology. What is the point for you? Might as well be arguing the sky isn't blue.