uncle bernard

read the shortened version then. Again, you correctly see my point without realizing it. We can't control Hamas. They are a terror group and death cult. We can control Israel. We can prevent Israel from perpetuating the system that feeds Hamas. Here's a concrete example for you to consider: Hamas does not control the Palestinian West Bank. The PA does and the PA is not a terror group. They are secular and interested in peace. Israel could empower the PA by dealing with them fairly in the West Bank, showing Gazans that there is a legitimate path to peace through diplomacy. Instead, Israel continues to steal Palestinian land in the West Bank through illegal settlements. They continue to terrorize Palestinian neighborhoods with police brutality. By doing this, they affirm Palestinians' belief that there is no path to peace through diplomacy. Military action is the only possible path to freedom, no matter how unlikely, no matter how bloody. That's how Hamas recruits.

Let me know which questions I haven't answered and I'll answer. Keep in mind, it's basically me vs. the board, so it's not easy for me to keep track of every reply. But the whole point of being on here is to debate, and I'm never afraid to do that.

Lol, good effort, but no. The things I complained about did happen. The Supreme Court did take away the universal right to an abortion. Conservative state governments are harassing families with trans children, and making it harder for all trans people to access trans-related medical care - like making it not eligible for Medicaid, for example.

It's unclear because it's early in the process. These things take time. 1 charge filed so far. Police are still in the process of reviewing cases. Comment from the prosecutor's office No charging decisions have been made," said prosecutor's spokesperson Casey McNerthney. "That means no charges have been filed. No charges have been dismissed. Prosecutors can only make decisions, one way or the other, on cases that are referred to our office – and none have been.

Again, you correctly see my point without realizing it. We can't control Hamas. They are a terror group and death cult. We can control Israel. We can prevent Israel from perpetuating the system that feeds Hamas. Here's a concrete example for you to consider: Hamas does not control the Palestinian West Bank. The PA does and the PA is not a terror group. They are secular and interested in peace. Israel could empower the PA by dealing with them fairly in the West Bank, showing Gazans that there is a legitimate path to peace through diplomacy. Instead, Israel continues to steal Palestinian land in the West Bank through illegal settlements. They continue to terrorize Palestinian neighborhoods with police brutality. By doing this, they affirm Palestinians' belief that there is no path to peace through diplomacy. Military action is the only possible path to freedom, no matter how unlikely, no matter how bloody. That's how Hamas recruits. This isn't speculation. We've seen this born out in history. The height of the Palestinian peace-through-diplomacy movement peaked at the Oslo Accords. At that time, there was tremendous optimism about a political solution that achieved freedom for Palestine. The PLO (ancestor of the PA) was far, far more popular than the militant resistant groups. So, what happened? Israel didn't follow through on the agreed plans. They did not withdraw their military from the West Bank. Israeli extremists carried out a terror attack - The Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre - which was followed by suicide bombings from Hamas in response. Israeli leader of the Oslo talks, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated by far-right Israeli extremists. Israel reneged on most of the deal conditions and the fundamental conditions of Palestine did not change despite the treaty. Following this, military resistance grew in popularity, culminating in Hamas' victory over the PA in the elections of 2006 with a minority of the vote. So ask yourself, if you were a Palestinian who spent decades advocating for diplomacy and peace, only to see the deal be completely unraveled by Israel after they agreed to it, why would you continue to think peace talks are a reasonable path forward? At every step, Israel has shown it is not willing to acknowledge a Palestinian state through diplomatic processes. But WE could change that. We have the power to restrain Israel, so that peace has a chance. Is this "fair?" No, life isn't fair. We don't have influence over Hamas like we do with Israel. We can only work with the tools we have. So they need to be the ones who turn the other cheek. The West can protect them while they take an entirely defensive stance to slowly regain the trust of their neighbors and give new legitimacy to a diplomatic peace process. That means they can't respond to a rocket damaging a sidewalk by levelling an apartment building. They can't respond to Hamas killing 1000 civilians by killing 50,000 civilians themselves. There is no peace in that future.

Half this country supported turning Iraq to rubble as revenge for 9/11...and Iraq didn't even do 9/11! Gazans have experienced 9/11 every year for the last 70 years. If you stop murdering civilians and give people rights, they will deradicalize. Right now, their only experience of Israel is as "the people who kill my loved ones."

You have stats showing that most people in Gaza voted for Hamas? Post them here!

I don't support Hamas either. I just explained how I want them to be defeated.

Exactly. It's almost as Hamas won a tightly contested election with a minority of votes and then promptly dissolved the democratic apparatus so they could never lose power.... Your guys' worldview is so contradictory. You don't even realize it most of the time. You correctly understand that Hamas is a brutal military terrorist group that runs Gaza under a military dictatorship, but then can't understand why the Gazans don't simply vote them out. Maybe if you stopped for two seconds to actually think instead of regurgitating propaganda and cliches, you'd see these very obvious flaws in your arguments. Just like @Interviewed_at_Weehawken, who, without realizing it, perfectly laid out why Israel's current military strategy is doomed to failure because it plays right into Hamas' source of power. You guys are capable of understanding this stuff if you think for yourselves. Well, at least *some* of you...

Especially crazy considering most *didn't* vote for Hamas. Only like 10%, maybe even less, of the Gazan population has ever voted for Hamas.

It actually wasn't, which is why 10/7 happened in the first place.

Guess we'll put you down for ethnic cleansing/genocide. Thanks for chiming in.

They've punished them 50x over already. I added the answer to your third question to my original post. I'll put it here too. The logic of your post is a complete endorsement of what I've been saying all along - the actual way to defeat Hamas is through a peaceful political process that gives the Palestinians a legitimate path to statehood and self-determination.

So why does Israel keep giving them exactly what they want? If this is true, couldn't they solve this problem by simply not killing thousands of civilians? The logic of your post is a complete endorsement of what I've been saying all along - the actual way to defeat Hamas is through a peaceful political process that gives the Palestinians a legitimate path to statehood and self-determination.

I'm sorry, but that's not true. It was obvious during the 2020 primary that Biden was losing it and the entire democrat media apparatus covered for him to get him over the finish line against Sanders and then again against Trump. He should have never been the nominee, but he was the only one who could beat Sanders, so they chose to risk everything rather than let an actual progressive lead the party and it, predictably, backfired. They did the same thing with Hilary in 2016. Every actual material data piece showed she was a horrible candidate and essentially the only one who could have possibly lost to Trump. Sanders significantly outperformed her in polling against Trump. But the corporate wing of the party controls the media apparatus, so they were able to drag her across the finish line over Bernie, but not Trump.

No, the largest loss of land coincides with the UN Partition plan of 1947, which did result in Arab attacks to attempt to regain it, but the land itself was taken beforehand. The other major loss of land occurred in the West Bank. Most of that has happened gradually over the last 50 years due to the expansion of illegal settlements, not land seized as a result of an Arab attack. There's a time lapse in this article showing the expansion over time: https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-the-west-bank-over-the-years-0000019079d8d0f6a3da79dcbd0a0000#

No. I'm the guy who posted their full quotes admitting they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza.

You're not as clever as you think you are. I'm going to keep asking the basic question to anybody who replies to the post. Do you disagree with the video or not?

Hormones are healthcare, yes. Pretty basic stuff there. And I want you to rewrite what I wrote so that you realize that what you said I wrote is not what I actually wrote. I know this is hard because you're barely literate, so I'll do it for you. I'll even bold the important part so you can't miss it. Me: "I'm not going to pretend that this was some awful violation of civil rights either." You: "guess having pee thrown on you isn't an awful thing" Me: "awful violation of civil rights" You: "awful thing" Can you tell the difference between those two statements? Most fourth graders can.

So you're complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet?

No, the video I posted. I don't give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* about what other people say about Rogan. I think he's right in this video, so please address that instead of trying to change the subject. Or are you not capable of actual thoughts?

It was a right until you guys took it away against the wishes of the American people, so people are still pretty mad about that. And trans healthcare = healthcare related to being trans (hormones, for example). I want you to literally type out what I wrote.

Damn, that's crazy. Now what do you think about the video?

Banning trans medical care. And yes, abortion is a legal right.

Quote me.