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@WrestlingRasta Say more about that. What could the athlete possibly lose by showing the truth with evidence? Are they going to lose their ability to compete at Worlds? They already lost that.

Could be! Seems illogical to me. If I was in their shoes, I would publicly share my test results such that the 'conspiracy' was exposed, and I would find someone willing to sue. And there would be those willing to take my case. I would shout out the BS and show my evidence in social media, interviews, etc.

https://www.iba.sport/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/20240303-IBA-Technical-Competition-Rules-v7-clean.pdf https://tass.ru/sport/17370249

100% agree. Having the (common) opinion that there are two genders and otherwise abnormal defects is a rational opinion. Whether to call the condition a defect or not is based on social considerations rather than science. Men that grew up around women (sisters, mothers, girlfriends) don't need a study to know how much stronger men are than females on average. The data indicates the average man can bench 185lb and the average woman 80lbs. The data indicates that the average male punch is 164% more forceful than than average female. This is is not a surprise. This Algerian boxer appears to have raw and poor technique... an observer understands this is why she lost often early in her career and why she still loses on occasion.

It does not matter if the boxer is or is not transgender, sex pref, passport gender, what is legal in the country, etc. All of that is a distraction that these females likely do have the xy chromosome. The rationality is clear. One boxer did not challenge the IBA action. One did and then dropped. One imagines this is a very big deal to these boxers. Boxing is their identity. If this was fake news, these boxers would reveal their test results to prove the case immediately after they were disqualified. And they would do so now asap. They did not and will not. And this will be the tell.

And yet you know? Puuuuhlease. I don’t know the truth any more than you about these two or some IBA conspiracy. The IBA was atrocious with how they handled it mid competition. Still. The boxer looks like a male. She hits with the power of a male. The boxer has no-contests on her record due to test results. The evidence implies there is truth to the test results. If i’m misled on these two boxers because the IBA lied, that is on the IBA. 100% females with xy and high testosterone should not box biological females.

Cisgender is a term used to describe people whose gender identity matches the sex they were assigned at birth.

Kamala upset daddy with her identity politics. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/kamala-harris-father-pot-1176805

That said... WTF is JD Vance? Why not go with Vivek!

DEI hires are meant to increase diversity with a focus on race, gender, sexual orientation, and underrepresented groups. Pence is a white, cis, straight man that belongs to a well represented group. DEI was not it. Find a video or article where Trump said he would select a White Man for VP.

Normal ranges of testosterone as less than 3.1 nanomoles per liter for women and more than 10 nanomoles per liter for men. Levels over 5 nanomoles per liter is excessive for women in boxing.

Totally fine to require sex and drug testing for World and Olympic events - both for men and women.

Would be fine. She doesn't look like a man any more than Amit. If personality is an indicator... tom boy... she very well could be XY. She definitely does not look manish like the XY boxer in question.

The sources are the boxers! I cited two already here.

My daughter has beast strength in wrestling. Her opponents have cursed their coaches. "Why don't you go out and ***ducking** wrestler her." She loses to weaker but better technical wrestlers. The XY boxer has lost to a few boxers, each with superior technical skill.

Yes I can see the logic with how the 9 losses discounts multiple competitors quitting the match and saying the XY boxer punches harder than they have ever faced (including men they spar with). FFS.

If you look like a man and punch like a man, then yes its fair to test you. Sort of like guys that hit home runs get tested for performance enhancers.

Put the test results aside for a moment. Should athletes with male characteristics (specifically XY chromosomes, high testosterone) and/or transgender athletes be allowed to compete in women’s sport?

Does she have XY chromosomes?

I DO NOT CARE IF A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE AS XY IN XX AND FEEL THIS IS AN INJUSTICE. LIFE IS NOT FAIR.

Intersex, raised a girl, none of that matters. XY should not box XX, especially when multiple competitors say the XY hits with the power of a man reports of high testosterone

My daughter quit gymnastics at 15. Strong as an ox. Level 2 of 10 technical skill and 10 of 10 strength. Conditioning maybe 5 of 10. She went about 20 - 10 each of her first two years without having a clue what to do. Went from practicing 20 hours to 25 hours weekly for gymnastics to about 5 hours weekly for wresting. She can frustrate the heck out of kids with better skill that can't navigate her strength. In high school, I had two former men gymnasts on my wrestling team. Both boys were mini Greek statues. One made top 8 at state with little technical skill. The other had youth wrestling experience and medaled multiple times.

Join us in the sewers.

@uncle bernard What does it tell the world when the boxers have not sued and have not shared their own XX/XY results? Why hasn't the organization shared the results? It is most likely that these 'women' have XY chromosomes and the org does not want to be sued for violating privacy rights.