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Refusing to make temporary sacrifices to upgrade your life implies privilege.

Or... you could say I have a larger family and own four used vehicles worth less than the average price of one new vehicle. And I was able to do this by saying yes to saving at the expense of other options, and a wife that returned to work after a decade off. The three vehicle purchases all required sacrifice/tradeoffs. I've earned knowledge of the used car market and its increases. A step up from some of the beaters I've owned as a young man. You know the 1200 pu truck, the 500 crown victoria, then 5000 honda civic... glorious cars... the eating pork for all meals as a step up from eating ramen and free gas station pizza for most meals... You want to know how I know I'm doing fine? I will retire early without government assistance, and I can pay for unexpected repairs without being late on a bill. An earned privilege through diligence.

I've bought three cars in the past four years, all used. Real world.

What do horny poor teenagers have to do with a regressive tax? I can't think of any other demographic that wants to nail poor people.

New Car remain high, regardless of flat household incomes and ever increasing car prices. The average monthly car payment for new vehicles in the U.S. is $742, while used vehicles clock in at $525, according to Experian’s State of the Automotive Finance Market report for Q4 2024. So, who’s buying these new cars? Generally not folks sweating the price tags. Think people with deep pockets or those that shrug at rising costs, plus a few knuckleheads who haven’t cracked basic finance. The average credit score for new car buyers increased from 737 in 2019 to 755 in 2024, per Experian, hinting that slightly more disciplined buyers of new rides. Most new car loans (70.8%) go to prime (661-780) or super-prime (781-850) borrowers anyway; solid credit, solid cash flow. Meanwhile, I picked up a 2012 Audi Q5 with 75,000 miles for $12,000 cash in December 2024. It’s a solid deal, even with used car prices still high from the post-COVID jump. Goes to show some of us are handling this craziness... I appreciate people that make tough decisions with the long term in mind.

Looks like Cornel posts the recaps https://cornellbigred.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2012-13 Example: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2013/1/1/WREST_0101134618.aspx Southern Scuffle 165 - Kyle Dake Champ. Round 1 - Kyle Dake (Cornell ) received a bye () (Bye) Champ. Round 2 - Kyle Dake (Cornell ) won by pin over Marshal Willet (Ohio ) (Pin 1:23) Champ. Round 3 - Kyle Dake (Cornell ) won by major decision over Paul Duggan (Campbell ) (Maj 13-1) Quarterfinal - Kyle Dake (Cornell ) won by pin over Nijel Jones (North Carolina State) (Pin 3:50)

2010 Jayson Ness 31-0, 19 pins, 1 injury default, 11 decisions Did not wrestle a stretch of duals between Jan 10 through the end of Jan. Missed 6 matches. https://gophersports.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2009-10 https://gophersports.com/sports/2018/5/21/sports-m-wrestl-archive-minn-m-wrestl-2009-html

WIN article on Ness explains why Pindrickson won the Hodge this year. https://www.win-magazine.com/win-awards/hodge-trophy/jayson-ness-2010-hodge-trophy-winner/

The six unaccounted for matches in the early season are identified @Wrestleknownothing Central Missouri State University Open Tournament (not on Missouri schedule and no brackets to be found...) November 12, 2006 Fall vs. unknown Fall vs. unknown Fall vs. unknown Fall vs. unknown Major Decision vs. Jeff James (Oklahoma-unattached): 17-7 Fall vs. Joey Garrity (Orion, Ill.): 36 https://mutigers.com/news/2006/11/13/Missouri_Wrestlers_Earn_CMSU_Open_Titles Wrestling unattached, two Missouri grapplers, senior returning National Champion Ben Askren (Hartland, Wis.) ... Three-time All-American Askren added five pins to his previous Missouri record-setting mark of 62. Securing six victories on the day with only one, a semifinal bout with Jeff James (Oklahoma-unattached) decided by major decision (17-7), Askren met with Garrity in title match to wrap up the day. Garrity advanced through his side of the 174-pound bracket tallying three decisions and a technical fall victory over Tom Edwards (McKendree College) in 5:33, before squaring off with Askren. In the end, Askren came out the victor (fall, 36 seconds), handing Garrity a runner-up finish. 2007 Ben Askren Reported 42-0 29 Pins (23 first period) - 69.1% Confirmed (updated) 41-0 29 Falls by Pin (70.7%) 2 Technical Falls 6 Major Decisions 4 Decisions (9.8%) This leaves one match unaccounted for late in the season. One can infer it was not a pin because the confirmed pins matches the reported pins. One can confirm it was not the scheduled Old Dominion match that he missed from being sick, because his back up lost.

@Wrestleknownothing 2007 Askren - Unaccounted for match update February 14, 2007: vs. Old Dominion Missed with the flu February 18, 2007: vs. Tennessee-Chattanooga (not on MU schedule online but is in the paper) Major Decision vs. Lloyd Rogers (Tennessee-Chattanooga): 10-1 An article on March 11th says 70 wins in a row. 45 from 2006 and we can infer 35 in 2007 as of March 11th (after Big 12). This aligns with my confirmed matches, if we accept the unaccounted for 6 matches in the early season. An article on March 13th says 34-0 heading into the NCAAs. (clearly missing the Feb 18 match) An article on March 14th says 36-0. (was he gifted the Old Dominion match that he didn't participate in) The papers do not agree. I still can't figure out where he wrestled 6 extra matches compared to his team before the season opener against Ohio State.

You are spot on for FS

Bingo! Extra credit! I had him as not competing in college, and he at least began his freshmen year at Wisconsin. What confidence he had!

Wrestler GR Rep Count GR Best Place GR Last Year FS Rep Count FS Best Place FS Last Year Brad Vering 6 2 2008 Marty Morgan 2 DNP 1995 Evan Johnson 1 DNP 1976 Mike Gallego 1 DNP 1973 1 DNP 1973 Wayne Baughman 8 5 1972 2 5 1972 Chris Taylor 2 4 1972 1 3 1972 Rick Sanders 1 DNP 1972 6 1 1972 Dale Lewis 2 DNP 1961 1 DNP 1961 William Weick 1 DNP 1961 Larry Lauchle 1 DNP 1960

Keeping it Greco Brad Vering was a D1 champion that took 2nd at Worlds in 2007. 5th at Worlds in 2002 and 2003. Jeff Blatnick was a D2 champion that was the Champ in the 1984 Olympics. Who are at least two other D2 champs that medaled in a World/Olympics? Who are at least two D3 champs to win a World/Olympics medal?

Bingo. The Hazewinkel legacy began with Dave and Jim, identical twin brothers from Coon Rapids, Minn. Both were members of the 1968 and 1972 U.S. Greco-Roman Olympic teams and both were on six consecutive World and Olympic teams together (1967 through 1972). Jim was also member of the 1966 World team while Dave was the first American to win two World medals in Greco-Roman wrestling (bronze in 1969 and silver in 1970). Dave's son, Sam Hazewinkel, competed on the 2012 Olympic team in freestyle wrestling at 121 pounds. The competition was 40 years after Sam's father and uncle wrestled at the Olympics. Sam was also a U.S. national champion in Greco-Roman in 2005 and 2007. Sam was a four-time All-American at the University of Oklahoma, including NCAA runner-up at 125 pounds. He posted a 132-10 mark for the Sooners. Hazewinkel went unbeaten during his high school career at Pensacola Christian Academy (Fla.). He went 140-0 with three state championships. https://www.themat.com/news/2012/september/07/hazewinkel-family-to-receive-l-25510 https://www.ocusports.com/sports/mens-wrestling/roster/coaches/sam-hazewinkel/772

Bingo. Matt Ghaffari (1980-84) qualified for the 1984 NCAA Championships after posting a single-season CSU record 14 pins ... Represented USA at the 1992 and 1996 Olympics in Greco-Roman, winning a silver medal in the latter event ... Three-time World Championship medalist ... Inducted into National Wrestling Hall of Fame in 2013. He holds three American records, the World and Olympic total medals, in addition to being a four-time World Cup Champion, and nine-time Pan-American Champion. He is a two-time US Olympian and Olympic team alternate, winning two World Silver medals, one World Bronze medal, and one Olympic Silver medal from the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta. In 2003, he was inducted into the Greater Cleveland Sports Hall of Fame followed by an induction into the Cleveland State University Hall of Fame in 2006. Ten years laters in 2013, he became a distinguished member of the prestigious USA National Wrestling Hall of Fame. https://csuvikings.com/honors/hall-of-fame/matt-ghaffari/54

Thats a great guess. Andy attended Northern Michigan University, which does not compete in Folkstyle.

Since we’re on the subject of Askren, I’m basically an NCAA champ by proxy. My junior year in high school, I beat a kid who took down Shawn Silvis back in the day, and Silvis, as a college senior, punked freshman Askren at some open tournament. So, by the glorious transitive law of mat supremacy, me, the 20 dudes who flattened me in high school, and my sister, who laid me out cold before I hit double digits, are all strutting around.

2006 Ben Askren The 174-pounder finished the season 45-0 with an impressive 25 pins. Of the other 20 wins, Askren had nine technical falls, five majors, an injury default and a forfeit, leaving only four bouts in which he failed to score bonus points. 45-0 25 Pins 9 Technical Falls 5 Majors Injury Default Forfeit 4 wins by decision https://www.win-magazine.com/win-awards/hodge-trophy/ben-askren-2006-2007-hodge-trophy-winner/ 2007 Ben Askren Reported 42-0 29 Pins (23 first period) - 69% Confirmed 34-0 24 Falls by Pin (70%) 2 Technical Falls 4 Major Decisions 4 Decisions (12%) Unaccounted: 6 early (Nov 5-15, 2006); 2 late (Feb 15 - Mar 17, 2007) Black & Gold Scrimmage on November 5, 2006 doesn't count Tech Fall vs. teammate Joey Garrity (BLACK), 21-5 (4:09) Missing 6 matches between Nov 5th scrimmage and Nov 16th dual Missed February 14, 2007: vs. Old Dominion, recovering from the flu Somehow record goes from Missouri formal recording of 32 wins after the February 11, 2007: vs. #3 Iowa State dual to 42 wins after the Big 12s (2 matches) and NCAAs (6 matches) Matches that count November 16, 2006: vs. #10 Ohio State, Columbus, Ohio Tech Fall vs. #12 Blake Maurer (OSU), 23-8 — Season: 7-0, Career: 118-8 November 19, 2006: Missouri Open, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Jeff James (Oklahoma-UN), 3:21 Fall vs. Lloyd Rogers (Tennessee-Chattanooga), 2:40 Fall vs. Mike Jackson (Indiana), 2:52 — Season: 10-0, Career: 121-8 December 1-2, 2006: Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational, Las Vegas, Nev. Fall vs. Casey Roberts (Nebraska), 1:35 Fall vs. Luke Feist (Stanford), 2:48 Fall vs. #24 Jeremy Larson (Oregon State), 2:07 Fall vs. #10 Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 2:16 Fall vs. #4 Matt Herrington (Pennsylvania), 0:46 — Season: 15-0, Career: 126-8 December 9, 2006: vs. #11 Central Michigan, Mount Pleasant, Mich. Fall vs. #6 Brandon Sinnott (Central Michigan), 2:56 — Season: 16-0, Career: 127-8 December 10, 2006: vs. #14 Michigan State, East Lansing, Mich. Fall vs. John Murphy (Michigan State), 1:18 — Season: 17-0, Career: 128-8 December 21, 2006: vs. #24 Pittsburgh, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. #2 Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 2:34 — Season: 18-0, Career: 129-8 December 29-30, 2006: Southern Scuffle, Greensboro, N.C. Fall vs. Steve Ratley (Virginia Tech), 1:26 Fall vs. Marcus Boyd (Davidson), 1:00 Fall vs. Neal Martin (Appalachian State), 1:48 Fall vs. #16 Mike Letts (Maryland), 2:51 Fall vs. #9 Matt Stolpinski (Navy), 1:14 — Season: 23-0, Career: 134-8 January 13, 2007: vs. #14 Penn (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Fall vs. #7 Matt Herrington (Penn), 0:39 — Season: 24-0, Career: 135-8 January 13, 2007: vs. #8 Northwestern (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Major Decision vs. #15 Nick Hayes (Northwestern), 14-6 — Season: 25-0, Career: 136-8 January 14, 2007: vs. #4 Oklahoma State (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Fall vs. #16 Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 1:16 — Season: 26-0, Career: 137-8 January 14, 2007: vs. #2 Minnesota (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Decision vs. #2 Roger Kisch (Minnesota, at 184 lbs), 5-4 — Season: 27-0, Career: 138-8 January 28, 2007: vs. #20 Nebraska (Big 12), Columbia, Mo. Major Decision vs. Marc Harwood (Nebraska), 20-9 — Season: 28-0, Career: 139-8 February 3, 2007: vs. #4 Oklahoma State (Big 12), Stillwater, Okla. Decision vs. #16 Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 9-6 — Season: 29-0, Career: 140-8 February 4, 2007: vs. #13 Oklahoma (Big 12), Norman, Okla. Major Decision vs. Josh Weitzel (Oklahoma), 12-3 — Season: 30-0, Career: 141-8 February 9, 2007: vs. Northern Iowa, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Alex Dolly (Northern Iowa), 3:25 — Season: 31-0, Career: 142-8 February 11, 2007: vs. #3 Iowa State (Big 12), Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Grant Turner (Iowa State), 1:08 — Season: 32-0, Career: 143-8 March 3, 2007: Big 12 Championships, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Grant Turner (Iowa State), 1:47 Major Decision vs. Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 13-4 — Season: 34-0, Career: 145-8 March 15-17, 2007: NCAA Championships, Auburn Hills, Mich. Tech Fall vs. Daniel Burk (Northern Illinois), 19-4 (7:00) Fall vs. Lloyd Rogers (Tennessee-Chattanooga), 2:54 Fall vs. Gabriel Dretsch (Minnesota), 4:51 Fall vs. Matt Palmer (Columbia), 4:42 Decision vs. Eric Luedke (Iowa), 8-3 Decision vs. Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 8-2 — Season: 42-0, Career: 151-8 Mostly taken from https://mutigers.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2006-07 ------- https://old.intermatwrestle.com/articles/2661 During Askren's career, he compiled a 153-8 record with 91 pins. That included a 42-0 mark in 2006-07 when the Tiger senior flattened 29 opponents. His 69 percent pinning percentage was even higher than the 55 percent of pins he collected (25 of 45) as a junior. So who does Askren - who credits his former Arrowhead High School coach John Mesenbrink for his "go for the kill" attitude... https://www.themat.com/news/2007/may/15/brian-smith--cody-gardner--ben-16673

I was looking at this recently for the PSU discussion, and found it difficult to account for only utilizing matches against D1 wrestlers. You likely already have encountered this discrepancy between some of your scores against formal NCAA scores. I'll see if I can find anything for your requests...

Which wrestler has achieved multiple podium finishes in Greco-Roman at the senior-level World Championships or Olympics, yet never placed among the top finishers in NCAA Division I Folkstyle wrestling?

Who is the most recent wrestler to have made the team at the senior level for both Greco-Roman and freestyle wrestling at either the World Championships or the Olympics, without ever winning an NCAA Division I championship?

Who was a runner-up at the senior level in both Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling at either the World Championships or the Olympics, and never won an NCAA Division I championship?

The now portion is hyperbole. I also said that the new story needs validation. As for the 20 year hypothesis; explain a different and more plausible reason. It is the simplest answer.

Because he scored more points than those with more titles, helping his team! There are different ways to define best.