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Okay, let's go one by one, starting at the top. I will kick us off and await your rebuttal that this is proven false. Border Security Concerns (2019–2022) Claims of uncontrolled borders were labeled xenophobic, but 2022 data showed record crossings, prompting policy shifts. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

Will @red viking please edit/hide/repost his post to be readable? The format and size is a burden to consume.

I'll double down on it. You and I are just referring to different areas of accountability and transparency.

That he was here illegally through 2018 does not change that he was here legally from 2019 through 2025. Even if he was a gang member before being detained in 2018, I have no problem with him becoming a US citizen given the larger context of his stay, overall clean record, family man, ...what's been shared with the public. If what we know is true; this is horrendous on the current administration. It is also a black eye on the previous administrations that allowed illegal immigration to reach the point of recent, necessary, deportation policies.

edit... freaking AI gives two answers that I didn't validate. My bad for not validating. And again

I read both he was married before jail, and while in jail.

This is exactly what it looks like when listening. It's just so obstinate and disappointing. An opportunity to show part of why this admin came to power... to bring accountability and transparency. I support the aggressive deportation of aliens with criminal associations. Mistakes will be made. Admit it. Address it. The 9-0 supreme court claim is total spin through omission of what was heavily critical of the USA actions. The spin isn't 'as bad' if this guy really is gang associated. Like some poopouri was sprayed after, you know? I'm going to hold out partial judgement for possible clarity to gang evidence.

Please accept my apology for listing too many items for you to review, including those that happen to Democrats.

Unlike Red Viking, who NEVER ignores details. /s

How many of these claims were argued in this forum as being true, and the 'factual' side ridiculed?

Vak made a post that focused on "Trump administration admitted in court was a mistake." I posted the framing that the administration shared on video. Miller says it is "not a mistake." I made zero opinions about the video, and you didn't ask. If you read my first couple posts in this, you would know my thoughts. But like scourge likes to do, you reframed with bias. This is manipulative and done in bad faith. For what I shared, you should criticize the administration that is spinning. It is unfair to invent my view and then criticize it. Its bull*hit. If you want to pin me down on a view, ask for a direct answer. Don't join the asshat brigade. If you can't recognize when reframing with bias is occurring, or you wish to do so yourself, *uck off. Feel free to call me out when I do it too...

Do any of us have the court cases from 2019 or is everything second-hand discussion? Evidence Suggesting Gang Membership: Abrego was already married with children before he was detained in 2018 at a Home Depot. One person present in the Home Depot detailed group admitted to gang affiliation. Abrego filed for asylum after ICE detained him. The immigration judge denied his asylum request in October 2019 but granted him “withholding of removal” due to a “well-founded fear” of gang persecution in El Salvador A “trusted” and “proven reliable” informant, per a 2019 immigration judge, accused Abrego of being an MS-13 gang member and specified his rank. The judge found this credible enough to justify continued detention during his immigration case. Evidence Against Gang Membership: No Charges: Kilmar was never charged with any gang-related crimes or activities Kilmar’s Denial and Asylum Claim: Kilmar denied gang involvement and sought asylum After the judge’s October 2019 ruling, ICE released Kilmar and didn’t appeal the decision Life after release does not involve arrests or gang accusations The mistake makes sense and the current context says this is wrong... badly wrong...

Are you really going to be one of those people?

Did "I" leave it out? No, I shared what Bondi/Miller stated. This is the second time you've been weird in this topic. The first time was informing me that I discovered what 'due process' is. I've been critical of this. The level of 'wrongness' relates to whether he is in a gang or not. How did his older brother get his citizenship? What does his older brother say about this?

They frame the case as lawful and valid. We do not have the court documents in public, or any other evidence than hearsay, that he was confirmed part of the MS 13 gang. Bondi He was illegally in our country before being detained in 2019. Two courts found he was part of the MS 13 gang and he was illegally in our country. The supreme court rules that if El Salvador wants to return him, the USA would facilitate it. Miller Illegal alien in the U.S., from El Salvador He is a citizen of El Salvador It is arrogant to tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizen Two courts identify Abrego as a member of the gang MS 13 When Trump declared a member of the MS 13 gang to be a foreign terrorist organization, Abrego was no longer eligible under federal law for any immigration relief in the United States. He had a deportation order and had to be returned The supreme court clearly stated the the USA could not compel El Salvador to return him. (9-0 in our favor against the district court ruling that the USA could not be compelled to go get Abrego back on their own accords) If Abrego was your neighbor, you would move right away. President from El Salvador How can I return a terrorist to the USA? I'm not smuggling him. I don't have the power to return him to the U.S.

Border Security Concerns (2019–2022) Claims of uncontrolled borders were labeled xenophobic, but 2022 data showed record crossings, prompting policy shifts. Urban Crime Surge (2020–2021) Rising crime reports were dismissed as anecdotal, but 2022 FBI stats showed spikes in violent crime in major cities. Antifa Violence Concerns (2020) Trump’s claims about Antifa’s role in riots were downplayed as fearmongering, but 2021 DOJ charges linked Antifa members to coordinated violence. Social Media Censorship Scope (2020–2022) Claims of widespread censorship on platforms like X were downplayed as exaggeration, but 2022 leaks (e.g., internal documents) revealed extensive content moderation targeting specific views. Twitter Shadowbanning (2019–2020) Trump’s complaints about Twitter censorship were called paranoid, but 2022 internal leaks confirmed selective content suppression of conservative voices. Deepfake Proliferation (2019–2020) Warnings about deepfakes were seen as niche, but by 2022, their use in scams and propaganda proved critics right. AI Bias Exaggeration (2019–2020) Early warnings about AI bias were downplayed, but by 2023, real-world cases (e.g., hiring algorithms) confirmed systemic issues. Inflation as Transitory (2021) U.S. officials claimed inflation was temporary, but by 2022, persistent price hikes and economic data showed it was a sustained issue, impacting global markets. COVID-19 Severity Downplay (2020) Critics’ accusation that Trump misled the public by downplaying COVID-19’s severity was later verified by Bob Woodward’s 2020 recordings, confirming Trump privately knew the virus was deadly while publicly saying it would disappear. Ivermectin for COVID-19 (2020–2021) Labeled ineffective or dangerous by health authorities, some 2021 studies suggested ivermectin had potential benefits in specific contexts, though not a cure. Vaccine Side Effects Downplayed (2021) Rare side effects like myocarditis were initially minimized, but by 2022, health agencies acknowledged risks, especially in young males. Nursing Home COVID Risks (2020) Early warnings about nursing home deaths were underreported, but 2021 data showed they accounted for a huge share of fatalities. Natural Immunity Downplayed (2021) Early COVID vaccine campaigns sidelined natural immunity, but 2022 studies showed it offered comparable protection in many cases. Lockdown Harms Overstated (2020–2021) Critics of lockdowns were accused of exaggeration, but 2022 reports highlighted mental health crises and economic devastation, validating earlier warnings. School Closures’ Impact (2020–2021) Claims that prolonged school closures harmed kids were downplayed, but 2022 data showed significant learning loss and psychological effects. Gain-of-Function Research Funding (2020–2021) Denials of U.S. funding for gain-of-function research in Wuhan were contradicted by 2021 FOIA documents, confirming NIH grants to labs studying coronaviruses. Economic Recovery Speed (2020) Trump’s optimism about a swift post-COVID economic rebound was scoffed at, but 2021 GDP growth rates exceeded expectations, supporting his outlook. Fentanyl Crisis Scale (2019–2021) The opioid crisis was underreported as a border-related issue, but by 2022, record fentanyl seizures confirmed its massive scope. Energy Policy Failures (2021–2022) Claims that green energy transitions caused shortages were dismissed, but 2022 European energy crises showed overreliance on renewables without backups. Battery Production Ethics (2019–2021) EV battery mining concerns were called anti-green, but 2022 reports exposed child labor and environmental damage in supply chains. TikTok Data Privacy (2020) Claims TikTok harvested user data were called xenophobic, but 2022 leaks confirmed extensive data collection, leading to bans in some governments. Wildfire Mismanagement (2019–2020) Forest management critics were sidelined, but 2021 reports linked poor practices to worse fires, prompting policy shifts. Hunter Biden’s Laptop (2020) Initially dismissed by media and tech platforms as Russian disinformation, the laptop’s existence was later verified by FBI records and emails published in 2022, confirming some contents were authentic. Ashley Biden’s Diary (2020–2024) Initially dismissed by media and fact-checkers as unproven or a smear, the diary’s existence and authenticity were later confirmed by 2022 guilty pleas from Aimee Harris and Robert Kurlander, who stole and sold it to Project Veritas, and a 2024 letter from Ashley Biden acknowledging her journal’s public exposure. Russiagate Collusion Narrative (2019–2020) Claims of direct Trump-Russia collusion were heavily pushed but later undermined by the Mueller Report (2019) and declassified documents (2020), showing no conclusive evidence of coordinated election interference. Election Fraud Claims (2020) Broad fraud allegations were dismissed outright, but 2021 audits in some states revealed procedural irregularities, though not enough to overturn results. Spygate Allegations (2019–2020) Trump’s claim of being spied on by the Obama administration was ridiculed, but 2020 declassified documents showed questionable surveillance of his campaign. Trump’s Claim of FBI Bias (2019–2020) Trump’s assertions of FBI bias against him were dismissed as baseless, but 2020 DOJ reports revealed internal FBI texts showing anti-Trump sentiment among some agents, raising questions about impartiality. Charlottesville Rally Participants (2017–2019) Trump’s claim of “very fine people on both sides” was later verified that he distinguished statue protesters from neo-Nazis. Trump University Misrepresentations (2010–2016) Critics’ accusation that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme was later verified by 2016 court documents and depositions, confirming Trump misrepresented his involvement and the program’s value, leading to a $25 million settlement. Wharton Class Rank Exaggeration (1970s–2019) Critics’ accusation that Trump lied about graduating top of his Wharton class was later verified by 2019 University of Pennsylvania records, confirming he graduated without honors, not first in his class.

Panic Trump will run for a third term (several on this forum, including Scourge) Trump would declare martial law or become a dictator on day one (Rachel Maddow, several on this forum) Trump would repeal the 19th Amendment (women’s right to vote) (posts on X) Trump would criminalize all protests or free speech against him (ACLU, posts on X) Trump would seize control of all media outlets (Media Matters, posts on X) Alarming Trump would sign a national abortion ban (Kamala Harris, Planned Parenthood, my niece) Trump would immediately end all contraception access (posts on X, my niece) Trump would end Social Security and Medicare entirely (AARP, posts on X, family friends) Trump would ban all gender-affirming care nationwide for adults (posts on X) More Trump would outlaw all renewable energy projects (Greenpeace, posts on X) Trump would dismantle the EPA and ban all environmental regulations (Sierra Club, posts on X) Trump would reinstate a nationwide draft for military service (posts on X) Trump would ban all international travel for Americans (posts on X) Trump would eliminate all federal housing assistance programs (posts on X) Trump would mandate religious education in all public schools (posts on X)

What/why is the diff in dom scores between yours and Kevin? Like with 2017 Zain?

This topic is meant to focus on narratives or claims that were initially dismissed or labeled as misinformation but later gained acceptance or were validated. This is more direct than what's been discussed below: https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/5091-how-to-think-critically-about-what-the-media-is-telling-you https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/5418-you-don’t-hate-the-media-enough… https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/6400-you-dont-hate-media-enough-part-ii https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/5629-left-wing-media-bias https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/7196-never-argue-with-an-idiotidiots https://intermatwrestle.com/forums/topic/5265-fact-check-the-moderator-fact-checkers

Gross

The surface evidence is that the courts stated the alien could not be deported for safety reasons. The evidence of his being in the gang were not documented in court and thus is ambiguous. Unless there is some new information, this is a gross show of obstinance from Bondi, Miller (on video)... and Trump if he is in the details vs believing what his team tells him.

A culture obsessed with strength over technique...

Google’s Willow chip (105 qubits) performed a benchmark calculation in under five minutes that would take a supercomputer 10 septillion years. The power to defeat much of today's cryptographic systems is estimated ~2035.

Was he in a gang or not? This is ambiguous and changes the perspective. The government says he was... some say he wasn't... None of us could possibly know. The Supreme Court said the District Court’s order to “effectuate” Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia’s return may exceed its authority and needs clarification, emphasized the government’s role in foreign affairs, confirmed his removal to El Salvador was illegal, and said the government must facilitate his release and address his case. - https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

The outcome of quantum entanglement can be understood, but the why is beyond current comprehension. It is weird that quantum computing can use the technology and that this has the power to create an existential end game. Not much different than how fire could destroy before folks understood what caused fire?