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Some things are missing here. Fascism would be one-party rule with Trump as the dictator, where Trump controls the media and speech. Blake would be assaulted and removed for her shirt or just for appearing gender-confused. She would probably be refused a ticket, refused entry, or assaulted while attempting to enter. Security would have assaulted her and celebrated the mob for assaulting her first. Trump would be celebrating the assault. And this sort of thing would be happening in multiple places as a way of life rather than one-off chaos. Then the media spin would be different than it was...
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No. Put yourself in the shoes of security. Not only can we watch on video that the assault was over ( i recall looking for it originally ), but security claims they didn't see it.
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In the moment, she was the problem. When security got there to remove her she was being held under control rather than assaulted. And she didn't report being assaulted... Removing hecklers is standard security. Assaulters bragging after is disgusting but it isn't fascism.
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Normally, the media doesn’t lie outright by claiming something occurred that didn’t. They exaggerate, omit context, and spin information. So when multiple articles on the left and right say that Blake was heckling, we can accept that as true. It is further supported by the same behavior at several Trump rallies. What is less heard of is the idea of someone being assaulted because of their shirt and nothing else. That was all one needed to know! You were basically the only person insisting this was an attack because of the shirt. That insistence is what made me rewatch the videos. If you slow the footage down, you can see Blake yelling at the stage.
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I suspect many people think... "someone needs to shut this person up right now, and I can do it faster than staff" and it is their life experience that teaches them that would create a bigger problem.
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Absurdly short-sighted take on crisis management. ... calling it fascism.
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Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
A doctor came up to me excited about a new Maternity ward charting feature that displayed the lady's weight compared to a baseline over time. He exclaimed: "Ladies can see for themself that they are fat and at risk." -
Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
The biggest problem is that people object to being lawfully forced to give without receiving an equivalent exchange. -
Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
100% agree. ^^^ RV's attempt to dismiss fraud as a consideration was dismissed in and of itself. My point on fraud is that it doesn't go away when the government is involved. -
Here is how I went about spotting the spin. ACTION: I read a post from 1032004 that said "...if you wear a shirt saying to release the Epstein files you will be physically assaulted" and another that said "...Trump’s rally in Youngstown Ohio for physically assaulting someone for wearing a shirt saying Release the Epstein files." THINK: How odd. This seems like fake news. I’ve never seen someone assaulted over a t-shirt, so that cause is unlikely. Trump already released the files (though heavily redacted), which makes the shirt’s intent a bit strange. How does wearing an Epstein shirt result in someone being assaulted? What’s the actual context? ACTION: I reviewed multiple mainstream article headlines that referred to a woman in a shirt being assaulted. None said the attack was because of the shirt. They noted she was wearing it. After reading the articles, the majority reported that she was heckling or interrupting Trump. Some mentioned the heckling in the title. I found only one article whose title directly implied the attack was because of the shirt (https://www.mogazmasr.com/150440). That source has low traffic, and 1032004 almost certainly didn’t read it. THINK: Why does 1032004 believe the assault was over the shirt? Most likely due to causal framing through selective omission and priming (media spin). It’s easy not to notice when you’re being influenced that way. People like Doublehalf act as if Dems hold the moral high ground on demanding the files’ release under Trump, while having shown less urgency before. Never mind that neither party fully released the Epstein files under Biden. Never mind that Trump signed a bipartisan law requiring their release... even though much remains redacted and many people are still disappointed. 1032004 frequently frames events from a left angle, so he may be thinking along the same lines as Doublehalf on the Epstein files. 1032004 may also assume Trump rally goers are the type of people who would attack someone over a t-shirt. ACTION: I posted this as an example of media spin and was challenged on it. I watched the available videos in slow motion and confirmed the person was yelling at the stage and was assaulted almost immediately afterward. THINK: Why does 1032004 still not accept the evidence and practical logic? Most likely because it conflicts with the first view he formed, and he rarely revises his positions. ACTION: Found Blake's actions in her own words clearly stating she was yelling. Asked 1032004 what their thought process was leading to the false belief. THINK: Why would 1032004 respond with spin/lies? Trump does mock but he doesn't cheer the assault. It wasn't just because of "yelling." It was yelling fascist repeatedly to interrupt while Trump was speaking to supporters. This was not a display of fascism. This hitting the woman on the head with a pole looks like assault at a Democrat rally. https://x.com/akela_lacy/status/1825746033416028355
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Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
Vermont didn't want to pay for it. https://politifact.com/factchecks/2017/sep/20/sean-duffy/vermont-single-payer-was-scrapped-because-it-was-g/ -
Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
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Why is there billions in fraud in Canada and the UK? -
There are levels of harm.
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This is the impact of media spin.
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Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
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People commit fraud, and the governement is people. -
The Ministry of Truth is what the GOP should have continued to run on during mid-terms. Less slandering individual opponents... just tell the truth of what Democrats did and will do again.
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Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
Priorities within healthcare... time, cost, quality, innovation, transparency, fraud, legality, choice, control... but sure also health care over the other priorities in a way no president has ever done. The main point I like about socialized healthcare is eliminating medical bankruptcy. -
Socialized Health Care- Nuts and Bolts Discussion
jross replied to Doublehalf's topic in Non Wrestling Topics
Priorities -
Yes, you are right on this one. With respect to freedom of speech, by law both the previous and current administrations get technical Fs. The previous administration gets a moral F, and this one gets a much higher grade on the points below. The previous administration gets an F for using government agencies to coerce people and companies into suppressing speech. This administration makes me think about the speech issue more carefully. Initially, I believe the White House should have every right to block access for dishonest media. Where I refine my thinking is by considering how much control I have over who decides what is honest and what values that person applies. It is better to err on the side of access, even for dishonest media. The main reason for my poor score of the previous administration is that it suppressed objective health facts and knowingly pushed obvious lies. I would have been less upset if it had only suppressed obvious lies. I also believe schools should be free to teach DEI frameworks and gender-identity concepts, so long as students are not required to take them, and taxpayers should not have to pay for that education. When I need a default for which morals rank higher, I use the New Testament Christian culture that dominated when this country was founded.
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Grade Report Time A+ | Seal the border and stop the migrant invasion B- | Carry out the largest deportation operation in American history D | inflation, and make America affordable again A- | Make America the dominant energy producer in the world, by far! B | Stop outsourcing, and turn the United States into a manufacturing superpower A | Large tax cuts for workers, and no tax on tips A | Defend our Constitution, our bill of rights, and our fundamental freedoms, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms D | Prevent World War Three, restore peace in Europe and in the middle east, and build a great iron dome missile defense shield over our entire country -- all made in America B- | End the weaponization of government against the American people B | Stop the migrant crime epidemic, demolish the foreign drug cartels, crush gang violence, and lock up violent offenders C+ | Rebuild our cities, including Washington D.C., making them safe, clean, and beautiful again. B | Strengthen and modernize our military, making it, without question, the strongest and most powerful in the world A | Keep the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency A | Fight for and protect social security and Medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age A- | Cancel the electric vehicle mandate and cut costly and burdensome regulations B+ | Cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race theory, radical gender ideology, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content on our children B+ | Keep men out of women's sports C | Deport pro-Hamas radicals and make our college campuses safe and patriotic again C | Secure our elections, including same day voting, voter identification, paper ballots, and proof of citizenship F | Unite our country by bringing it to new and record levels of success Solid B- with the biggest pain to citizens is the cost of the war in Iran. Finish the war and stop meddling to bring down costs.
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Yes all fair criticisms.
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The man’s sport was not really offered or discussed in my tiny town and we didn’t have college wrestlers either.
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Angela Davis
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This is good information by itself, yet you still have ignored the additional context provided that explains why Sept was denied.
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Now the question @1032004 is what specific thing made you conclude the attack was over the shirt itself rather than her standing up and yelling? Was it a particular video, a news report, or something else?
