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Has there ever been a pandemic? Yes. Spanish Flu. What occurred during the Flu pandemic? Huge decrease in votes. The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters. Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016. (and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote.) Historical precedent (Spanish Flu) indicates that illness, fear, and logistical challenges results in less votes. COVID-19 brought illness, fear, and logistical challenges, yet participation soared beyond any other election both by numbers and percent increase (modern era). Why the difference from the Spanish Flu precedent? Technology? ...but what about 2012, 2016, and 2024 technology in comparison? social media is only increasing (not the tools) Mail in ballots? ...but what about 2024 not a well supported option during the Flu pandemic (reasonable conclusion) doubled from 33M to 65M in 2020 compared to 2016 (strange but understandable) back to 40-50M in 2024 (worth digging into) Where did mail in ballot participation reduce in 2024? Every state (while voting was actually up overall in some states) Actually the raw counts and percentages for republicans increased in 2024 as compared to 2020. It was the democrat and independent mail-in votes that decreased, bringing the total raw counts down. Why did mail in ballot participation reduce in 2024? More people voted in person or not at all. Less ballot harvesting??? (no chance to prove) What are reasons that countries refuse mail in ballots? 98% of ballots are cast in Japan as a ritual; a civic badge rather than a chore Sweden - mail-in adds complexity without boosting participation (87% vote turnout) Compulsory Voting - Belgium Fraud (cements that its a major concern) France had a major case of fraud South Korea fears fraud Israel prioritizes security How can you verify no voter fraud for mail-in ballots? You can't. (fact) This alone undermines "most secure ever." The secure statement is propaganda! Secret ballots are detached from your identity. Some states allow you to verify if a vote was received but not who you voted for. No end to end verification. Detection depends on reaction, not prevention. Logistical scale Is anyone trying to prove fraud in mail-in ballots? Favorito et al. v. Wan et al., the Georgia election lawsuit from 2020 led by Garland Favorito and VoterGA Court order to unseal "pristine unfolded" ballots is stalled 5 years! of persistence; case initial dismissed for bs reasons... stalled. Something is off. Why more votes in 2020 than 2024, in spite of increased voting pool? Biden was the best candidate in history? Crisis drove a desire for change? Biden did such a poor job that it caused voter apathy? Tighter mail-in rules, voter ID, etc. ------- Does this prove fraud? No. It does expose "secure" as unprovable swagger, not fact.

Yes that is correct. Context! ----

I identified you as just a smart prick. Turns out you’re all emotion... strawmen, spin, and a knack for inventing my points. If you don't know why I bring up the election oddities, ask and I'll explain. Dismissing it as irrational says you’re not that smart... I’d figured you were. ...I never said that a civil war is a viable option. I spoke as an observer of what an ideology is capable of, not what it desires. I provided a metaphor for the power disparity that would lead to a decisive win, if it came to it as a last resort.

If you want a one-on-one pissing contest, you win. Congrats. Overall, the truth is in the numbers and the analogy fits.

The calm, clear-eyed stoics are the blue-collar, rural, veterans, and traditionalists that don’t bother with social media. Fathers with responsibility for others... not children. They’ve seen and lived things. Stoic fathers don’t dream of assassinating leaders... they shoot the calf to end its pain, kill the wolf to guard the flock, hunt the turkey to feed their own. I didn’t call up the military or tally guns; you spun that. And you skipped where I said war’s a mess no one wants. Read harder. ...and the stats show who’s armed.

Dismissing oddities skips the critical thinking; more vibes than substance.

Well you opened with nuance failure about progressives / open borders. But sure... You sidestepped whether progressive policies indirectly suppress wages. You blamed libertarians and companies but don’t answer the question. You admitted illegal workers keep costs low, yet ignored how they undercut citizens’ pay. Your ‘who else will do these jobs?’ assumes no one would, with no proof. And you dodge the issue by insulting uneducated workers. Many words that Avoid. Deflect. Contradict. the core claim that progressive policy for lax border enforcement allows more illegal workers into the U.S., which suppresses wages for low-skill American citizens.

Was a chunk removed or was it a scratch? Superficial wounds heal quickly and is plausible.

Plenty of self-identifying progressives believe in open borders. https://fpif.org/progressives-should-support-open-borders-with-no-apology/ I'm ignoring the 'what about' libertarians... of which also have some that do and do not support open borders.

...a 1 minute google pulls up AP articles that claim the FBI, which hates Trump, confirmed he was shot in the ear, and he was medically reviewed within ~30 minutes of the incident at Butler Memorial Hospital.

Nobody is picketing mitochondria. Worldview is scope creep.

Outlandish? ...that progressive outcomes can actually work against social justice? "Social justice means giving everyone a fair chance at a good life, no matter who they are, by fighting unfair stuff like being poor or treated badly, using teamwork and changes." Progressive enable unfair wages via illegal labor through open borders and lax enforcement. Open borders and weak enforcement leads to more illegal workers. With illegal workers willing to work for less because they are here illegally and cannot demand better, their wages stay low or drop. Actual citizens lacking skills and education cannot compete with illegal alien wages... and an increase in illegal workers can cut wages for low-skill citizen workers. Progressives (and others) that support illegal labor are screwing American citizens. ... A similar line of reason extends easily to criminal rights over victims, etc. The words sound nice and the deeds are not...

Ignorance isn't bliss forever... In my state, I’d start with every kid opted in to public sex ed, flood parents with clear details on the curriculum and their power to pull out... guaranteeing transparency and parental control.

i give it a B for trolling. but also true…

Yea this is true on abortion, sex ed, and religion in ed. All very touch subjects with sound reasoning behind the beliefs.

Progressive outcomes seem to undermine justice. They enable unfair wages via illegal labor through open borders and lax enforcement. They prioritize criminals’ rights over victims. They define rights / benefits by race. They strip personal choice / freedom. Words vs. deeds...

I see and appreciate what you are saying... but pitbull is a stretch. Progressives are less about defending their territory and more about dragging everyone into their yard. A pitbull doesn't care what you are doing in your yard but they will end you quickly in defense of theirs. If not a jack russell terrier, a progressive is more like a border collie. A collie had a lot of positive traits that fit... but the progressive has less discipline...

It’s not about progressives living their views or ruling themselves; it’s when they force those views on the majority, stripping freedom, grabbing resources, and breaking trust. That’s when the patience ends. You can replace 'progressive' with most ideologies and cross a line. The math is not in the progressive's favor is the point being made, in a dogmatic manner of speaking.

I'm not starting anything, I'm sharing math.

It would be ugly and unwanted by everyone sane. Remember that gun ownership is 3 to 1 in favor of one ideology, the ideology that knows how to use them while having the discipline to use responsibly. Sometimes the little terriers nip one to many heels.

Yes like a 10 pound Jack Russel Terrier... hyper, loud, relentless, scrappy... and completely outmatched by the 200 pound Mastiff... sleeping through the noise until the line is crossed... then game over. Thankfully the Mastiffs have enormous patience.

the defense needs cuts; not more. disgusting. but cheated by DOGE? no!

It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically. The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies. It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

What is a critical thinkers framework to 2020 election being the most secure ever? Observe oddities, ask questions, seek answers... Oddities The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters. Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016, and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote. 19 states had no ID rules. Ballot harvesting is legal in some states Counting was paused Real people testified to problems that resulted in 60 court cases; mostly tossed on standing rather than merit. Favorito's Georgia case (145K ballots) still lingers in 2025. The Biden laptop suppression... The "Cabal" steering outcomes... “Hundreds of millions” spent to change rules, influence media, and control info flow. The published article in the Times about "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that saved the 2020 election." You mentioned Dominion... okay The University of Michigan computer science professor J. Alex Halderman hacked the Dominion ImageCast X machine in multiple ways from seconds to minutes in front of government officials. Now ask questions... And seek answers...

I didn't say J6 is propaganda, I said propaganda is spun throughout. You seem to see it through one lens and not through both. This doesn't reflect well critical thinking. Very similar reflection on election security rhetoric. There are many signals, you brought up "Dominion." That isn't one that I was thinking of... though I wouldn't exclude it based on evidence.