CHROMEBIRD Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, mr.nonothingatall said: The unfortunate is losing endene, having massive holes in recruiting classes, and having outdated coaching mentalities.... That is what happened at 197. It's the same thing that is happening to everything at iowa. It's a good thing Iowa doesn't wrestle other teams 2 times a year. Cause statically they have a down hill trajectory in repeat matches It would've been fun if Brands ripped Harvey's shirt for this
Pinnacle Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, Paul158 said: I'll take that bet. Its a big rivalry in their home gym before 13,000 fans, NCAA's big difference, 3 weigh ins. 3 days of knock down tough wrestling. Don't get me wrong Oklahoma St. is a good team. Ohio State if healed up should put some good points. If there still banged it will be close. I'm hoping Cannon will be 100% by the NCAA's. Its a comment, that is all. May be right, may be wrong.
Lordnelson Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, Coastal said: There's very few people on the planet that hates Iowa more than I, but even I have to say that Arnold was screwed with those stalling calls. Some officials call everything on the edge a stall and nothing anywhere else. Very true. They don't see anything inside the circle.
flyingcement Posted February 23 Posted February 23 5 minutes ago, BruceyB said: "Shooting someone off the mat" is just a stupid nuance in general. Either employ a penalty for going OB or just reset in the middle. The shoot'em out stall is just a softcore push-out rule with unnecessary ambiguity which leads to unnecessary inconsistency. Yes the inconsistency is the sticking point. no one knows what to expect. I've seen guys do what Arnold did there which is - defend the move without obviously trying to dive out of bounds - and the action call gets given. Sometimes not. the inconsistency is exactly the sticking point for wrestlers, coaches, and fans
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Coastal said: There's very few people on the planet that hates Iowa more than I, but even I have to say that Arnold was screwed with those stalling calls. Some officials call everything on the edge a stall and nothing anywhere else. It was horrible, but hopefully a wake up call for Gabe to take care of business before SV. Not the first time he lost a close one.
cl415 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Lordnelson said: Very true. They don't see anything inside the circle. Good point. Ryder didn’t really do anything all match imo which makes the edge calls even worse.
PortaJohn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Its a comment, that is all. May be right, may be wrong. Just bet cinnabucks. You'll be fine I Don't Agree With What I Posted
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Final team score is gonna look a lot worse if Doucet bonuses
PortaJohn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Yes the inconsistency is the sticking point. no one knows what to expect. Takedowns these days and stall calls are like an umps strike zone. It'll always be open to interpretation I Don't Agree With What I Posted
mr.nonothingatall Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, Coastal said: That's based on Iowa's over reliance on perfecting a single move. They don't win a lot of scrambles so once opponents get a feel for that move, their ability to score drops dramatically. Correct Iowa mentally - we are gonna make our guys the best at getting to there best position. Osu and PSU and lots of others- we are going to make our guys better at their worse positions that way it opens up more opportunities to get to your opponents worse positions Full of un-bias blasphemy.
Pa in Taiwan Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Just now, CHROMEBIRD said: It was horrible, but hopefully a wake up call for Gabe to take care of business before SV. Not the first time he lost a close one. This should be the attitude for Iowa fans. Instead of whinging about the refs, perhaps more focus should be put on the fact that Iowa only had three wrestlers in the dual who scored a takedown. Kudos to Mikey Caliendo for getting revenge for his earlier loss. Ryder Block gets commended for offense. PK also handled Facundo again. Let's focus on this instead of complaining about the refs and then going over to the other thread to comment on the innuendo about the locker room at PSU.
mr.nonothingatall Posted February 23 Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Oh God. Brands sends an 0-3 guy out at Hwt. Booooo. What do you expect? Full of un-bias blasphemy.
flyingcement Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Takedowns these days and stall calls are like an umps strike zone. It'll always be open to interpretation unfortunately the ways we score points are not as one dimensional as strike or ball. we'll be stuck with human judgment for a good while longer I reckon Edited February 23 by flyingcement
mr.nonothingatall Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Pa in Taiwan said: This should be the attitude for Iowa fans. Instead of whinging about the refs, perhaps more focus should be put on the fact that Iowa only had three wrestlers in the dual who scored a takedown. Kudos to Mikey Caliendo for getting revenge for his earlier loss. Ryder Block gets commended for offense. PK also handled Facundo again. Let's focus on this instead of complaining about the refs and then going over to the other thread to comment on the innuendo about the locker room at PSU. 1. It is the attitude of Iowa fans 2. Those three wrestled well, but also give credit to kale peterson for hanging in there with vega. Full of un-bias blasphemy.
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 23 Posted February 23 Nice win for Taylor's boys. Pretty ugly dual for the Hawks.
PortaJohn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 1 minute ago, Coastal said: Arnold would be in national title contention if he would have gone anywhere but Iowa. 8 of his 11 dual matches were one takedown matches. Not everyone buys into a coach's philosophy (see Beau Bartlett) but an offensive coach who pushed him to take advantage of his speed and power was what he needed. Idk about that. Wrestled the same when at Blair (Didn't watch him his Sr year in Iowa so can't say). Reminds me a lot of the same issues Marsteller ran into when he got to college. I Don't Agree With What I Posted
HokieDave87 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: It would've been fun if Brands ripped Harvey's shirt for this "I'll be gone when you're a senior anyways, get out there"
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 23 Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, mr.nonothingatall said: 2. Those three wrestled well, but also give credit to kale peterson for hanging in there with vega. No idea how Vega hung with KP. I actually thought Peterson had him dead to rights when he had that half in deep. He's so much bigger and it's crazy that he couldn't brute force Vega over.
BaldAt23 Posted February 23 Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Idk about that. Wrestled the same when at Blair (Didn't watch him his Sr year in Iowa so can't say). Reminds me a lot of the same issues Marsteller ran into when he got to college. He's not at his natural weight. He will be a serious AA contender at 174 next year
Maxwell Smart Posted February 23 Posted February 23 These young cowboys look really good and will make noise at the NCAA's. They'll challenge for a title starting next year and beyond. This is what everyone wanted for the last 10 years, and between OK ST and OSU, and next year VA TECH, we got it. Unfortunately for the wrestling community and the majority of the forum posters, Iowa is losing swagger and sway.
Doublehalf Posted February 23 Posted February 23 I think Arnold needs to transfer,obviously this is entirely my opinion and all based on feels but I sense the coaching staff doesn't really respect him other than the points he gets for the team.
PortaJohn Posted February 23 Posted February 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Coastal said: Marstellar's issues were off the mat and started long before he got to college. I realize Arnold wasn't super offensive at Sem but instead of increasing, it's gotten much, much worse. What a brain fart. It was Sem. Anyways, Arnold (although different) has also battled off the mat issues. I don't think Iowa itself is the issue and another place would've been better. Maybe Mizzou Edited February 23 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted
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