Gender vs Sex

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

3 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

no evidence!!

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/45413586/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-high-jump-title

As a junior, they tied for 1st in high jump, shared title in triple jump, took second at long jump.

CIF… additional students were allowed to compete and medal in events that ABH competed in. No placers were lost. Titles were shared. Where is the issue? Can't wait to see where y'all move the goalposts to. I guess it'll be, 'They shouldn't be able to compete at all, now'

Which means, taking away opportunities for cis girls to compete, was never your issue.

Caveira · February 23

1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/45413586/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-high-jump-title

As a junior, they tied for 1st in high jump, shared title in triple jump, took second at long jump.

CIF… additional students were allowed to compete and medal in events that ABH competed in. No placers were lost. Titles were shared. Where is the issue? Can't wait to see where y'all move the goalposts to. I guess it'll be, 'They shouldn't be able to compete at all, now'

Which means, taking away opportunities for cis girls to compete, was never your issue.

Don’t care if places were or not lost. Dudes should not compete against the ladies. Stay on topic.

also if you look. You will find he took places from women

Edited February 23 by Caveira

JimmySpeaks · February 23

Biological boys/men have no business competing in girls/women’s sports. Psychotherapy is needed for all that think they should.

Caveira · February 23

16 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/45413586/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-high-jump-title

As a junior, they tied for 1st in high jump, shared title in triple jump, took second at long jump.

CIF… additional students were allowed to compete and medal in events that ABH competed in. No placers were lost. Titles were shared. Where is the issue? Can't wait to see where y'all move the goalposts to. I guess it'll be, 'They shouldn't be able to compete at all, now'

Which means, taking away opportunities for cis girls to compete, was never your issue.

Before you talk about spots.

men should not get roster spots on the team in and of itself. That takes that spot from a real woman at the high school.

men should not get starting spots on the women’s team. That takes a starting spot from a real woman.

If a man competes in a woman’s sport. Every time they finish above last place. They take placing spots away from real women.

if a he is in a woman’s sport and qualifies for state. They took a spot from a real woman.

Edited February 23 by Caveira

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

49 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Don’t care if places were or not lost. Dudes should not compete against the ladies. Stay on topic.

also if you look. You will find he took places from women

I predicted you would say exactly what you said. How is that not on topic? You don't care about fairness or opportunities for cis girls. Your other arguments are worthless then.

How does this person endanger cis girls by competing in track events?

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

42 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Biological boys/men have no business competing in girls/women’s sports. Psychotherapy is needed for all that think they should.

Do you have any reasons?

Caveira · February 23

1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I predicted you would say exactly what you said. How is that not on topic? You don't care about fairness or opportunities for cis girls. Your other arguments are worthless then.

How does this person endanger cis girls by competing in track events?

Cis is a made up word

men should not take spots from women in women’s sports. Period. Read what I wrote

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

38 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Before you talk about spots.

men should not get roster spots on the team in and of itself. That takes that spot from a real woman at the high school.

men should not get starting spots on the women’s team. That takes a starting spot from a real woman.

If a man competes in a woman’s sport. Every time they finish above last place. They take placing spots away from real women.

if a he is in a woman’s sport and qualifies for state. They took a spot from a real woman.

Prove your claims.
Was a roster spot taken? You don’t know

Was another athlete on the team allowed to compete at all the same event(s)? You don’t know.

When extra medals and qualifiers are added to the sport it entirely invalidates your position. I’m sorry you don’t understand that. Next it will turn to, ‘but winning is the point, now’(moving the goalposts, again) Which it isn’t. It never has been.

But the party of ‘eliminate participation trophies, because it hurts the children’ is trying to demand more participation trophies when certain people aren’t getting them.

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

43 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Cis is a made up word

men should not take spots from women in women’s sports. Period. Read what I wrote

Thor, ‘all words are made up!’

You lose.

ThreePointTakedown · February 23

46 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Cis is a made up word

men should not take spots from women in women’s sports. Period. Read what I wrote

Men aren’t taking spots. Girls are competing with girls.
Sorry that it makes you feel icky. Your discomfort does not make this a priority. Lift yourself up by your boot straps. Take your head out of your @$$ and let kids play sports that, literally, don’t matter one little bit.

Edited February 23 by ThreePointTakedown
Taking

wrestlingguy · February 23

13 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Men aren’t taking spots. Girls are competing with girls.

Chicks with dicks aren't chicks.

JimmySpeaks · February 23

2 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Do you have any reasons?

I’ll give you my reasons when you explain why you ignore all the countries banning gender changes to minors. And why Plastic Surgeons here in America have recently spoken out against it. And why psychotherapy is now the remedy being pushed to help kids who think they’re in the wrong body.

JimmySpeaks · February 23

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Men aren’t taking spots. Girls are competing with girls.
Sorry that it makes you feel icky. Your discomfort does not make this a priority. Lift yourself up by your boot straps. Take your head out of your @$$ and let kids play sports that, literally, don’t matter one little bit.

Girls are competing with boys that say they’re a girl. In these instances a biological girl loses a spot as there are only so many spots to go around. Only so many allowed on a team. Only so many allowed to play at one time. Only so many qualifiers. Etc etc. it’s simple math.

Caveira · February 23

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Girls are competing with boys that say they’re a girl. In these instances a biological girl loses a spot as there are only so many spots to go around. Only so many allowed on a team. Only so many allowed to play at one time. Only so many qualifiers. Etc etc. it’s simple math.

Knuckle head is clinging to if you say your a girl then your a real girl so they aren’t taking spots

mspart · February 24

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Girls are competing with boys that say they’re a girl. In these instances a biological girl loses a spot as there are only so many spots to go around. Only so many allowed on a team. Only so many allowed to play at one time. Only so many qualifiers. Etc etc. it’s simple math.

But you are not talking to a person that knows simple math. He only knows his emotional state and is convinced that if he says he's a woman, he is a woman. Regardless of his inner or outer anatomy, his cellular makeup, and anything else he is, all he has to do is say he is a woman and by golly he are one. It is just that simple. Like a lifelong sinner saying he believes in Jesus but continues to sin and not care. Just saying it does not mean it is true. And in this case, just saying it does not make it true definitively.

A male dog cannot look around and say it is a female dog. A male dog cannot give birth to baby dogs. It cannot happen. The same goes with humans. The only difference is that we are so smart we think we can convince ourselves and others that a man can indeed become a woman if he just thinks hard enough.

Famous words from Woodstock, "If we think real hard, maybe we can stop this rain. No rain, no rain, no rain." That's about how deluded he is.

mspart

ThreePointTakedown · February 24

15 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I’ll give you my reasons when you explain why you ignore all the countries banning gender changes to minors. And why Plastic Surgeons here in America have recently spoken out against it. And why psychotherapy is now the remedy being pushed to help kids who think they’re in the wrong body.

You’ll probably keep moving the goalposts so you never have to provide evidence. Would hate to break your streak at this point.

In the hopes that we don't keep going round and round on this. Can you provide evidence of THAT claim now? Because if it isn't happening, and I have a feeling that it isn't, I don't want to waste my time by composing a response.

I don't care why plastic surgeons have spoken out. In their capacity, they have nothing to do with the earliest and most critical stages of gender affirming care.

Firstly, they don't think they are in the wrong body. That is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Dysphoria is the stress that goes along with someone's gender identity not aligning with their assigned sex. Please for the love of Bob, if you learn anything, let it be that. I have a feeling you don't care enough about these people to learn anything new, but one can hope.

ThreePointTakedown · February 24

15 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Girls are competing with boys that say they’re a girl. In these instances a biological girl loses a spot as there are only so many spots to go around. Only so many allowed on a team. Only so many allowed to play at one time. Only so many qualifiers. Etc etc. it’s simple math.

This is why I feel you are either can't read, refuse to read, or are just dumb. But his issue was already covered. Let me repeat the point: extra qualifying spots were added to events and extra medals were awarded in events where this person qualified and competed. Those are the facts.

Your other claims about team spots. Number of spots allowed per team. So many allowed to play. Qualifiers(addressed). All of these claims are unproven. YOU. HAVE. NO. EVIDENCE.

You desperately want them to be true but you haven't provided evidence. You never do.

Why is that? Why do you never provide sufficient evidence of your claims? Do you even know what it means for evidence to be sufficient? Based on how easily you are convinced of things, my opinion is 'No'.

I do not trust your ability to do math.

JimmySpeaks · February 24

12 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

This is why I feel you are either can't read, refuse to read, or are just dumb. But his issue was already covered. Let me repeat the point: extra qualifying spots were added to events and extra medals were awarded in events where this person qualified and competed. Those are the facts.

Your other claims about team spots. Number of spots allowed per team. So many allowed to play. Qualifiers(addressed). All of these claims are unproven. YOU. HAVE. NO. EVIDENCE.

You desperately want them to be true but you haven't provided evidence. You never do.

Why is that? Why do you never provide sufficient evidence of your claims? Do you even know what it means for evidence to be sufficient? Based on how easily you are convinced of things, my opinion is 'No'.

I do not trust your ability to do math.

If you think I go back and read all the crap you post you’re dumber than I already thought. This is the same crap you always spew and you’re wrong. If there’s a trans boy that thinks he’s a girl on a roster a spot was taken. It’s that simple.

Edited February 24 by JimmySpeaks

JimmySpeaks · February 24

18 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

You’ll probably keep moving the goalposts so you never have to provide evidence. Would hate to break your streak at this point.

In the hopes that we don't keep going round and round on this. Can you provide evidence of THAT claim now? Because if it isn't happening, and I have a feeling that it isn't, I don't want to waste my time by composing a response.

I don't care why plastic surgeons have spoken out. In their capacity, they have nothing to do with the earliest and most critical stages of gender affirming care.

Firstly, they don't think they are in the wrong body. That is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Dysphoria is the stress that goes along with someone's gender identity not aligning with their assigned sex. Please for the love of Bob, if you learn anything, let it be that. I have a feeling you don't care enough about these people to learn anything new, but one can hope.

Psychotherapy……

you skipped that part. They and YOU NEED IT

JimmySpeaks · February 24

22 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

You’ll probably keep moving the goalposts so you never have to provide evidence. Would hate to break your streak at this point.

In the hopes that we don't keep going round and round on this. Can you provide evidence of THAT claim now? Because if it isn't happening, and I have a feeling that it isn't, I don't want to waste my time by composing a response.

I don't care why plastic surgeons have spoken out. In their capacity, they have nothing to do with the earliest and most critical stages of gender affirming care.

Firstly, they don't think they are in the wrong body. That is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. Dysphoria is the stress that goes along with someone's gender identity not aligning with their assigned sex. Please for the love of Bob, if you learn anything, let it be that. I have a feeling you don't care enough about these people to learn anything new, but one can hope.

Keep refining those grooming skills of yours.

ThreePointTakedown · February 24

14 hours ago, mspart said:

But you are not talking to a person that knows simple math. He only knows his emotional state and is convinced that if he says he's a woman, he is a woman. Regardless of his inner or outer anatomy, his cellular makeup, and anything else he is, all he has to do is say he is a woman and by golly he are one. It is just that simple. Like a lifelong sinner saying he believes in Jesus but continues to sin and not care. Just saying it does not mean it is true. And in this case, just saying it does not make it true definitively.

A male dog cannot look around and say it is a female dog. A male dog cannot give birth to baby dogs. It cannot happen. The same goes with humans. The only difference is that we are so smart we think we can convince ourselves and others that a man can indeed become a woman if he just thinks hard enough.

Famous words from Woodstock, "If we think real hard, maybe we can stop this rain. No rain, no rain, no rain." That's about how deluded he is.

mspart

Keeping in mind you are responding to a kid... A KID, playing a sport at a level that does not matter at all. Explain how this matters? I have a feeling that you can't allow this to happen because you feel it is a slippery slope to more and more kids competing in a similar fashion. If that is your only reason, which I have a feeling that it is because you haven't offered any other legit reason. Because you don't care about numbers and team spots and medals. That has already been proven wrong.

BTW, including a fairytale(Jebus) in your breakdown of a real thing(gender affirming care) doesn't help your case.

That I think its true doesn't necessarily make it true. That's fair. But that makes this feel like a rubber vs glue situation. You have no reason to object to this except your feels. I have evidence that this care is necessary and beneficial. So which one of us is basing their opinion on emotions?

Dogs do not have a concept of gender.

Male dog giving birth: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2190741/ person with 46,XY karyotyping has giving birth twice. So lets not sleep on a dog with XY chromosomes giving birth. Because it does happen.

If being male means you can't give birth, this is no longer a NECESSARY CONDITION. Because it has happened to someone with XY chromosomes.

Sorry that this completely defeats your whole argument. I know it probably stings a bit. But don't grieve too long. You're smarter now. More worldly. And now you have something to tell your friends and family that still hold the old and outdated opinion that you recently held. Until now. So congrats.

ThreePointTakedown · February 24

11 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

If you think I go back and read all the crap you post you’re dumber than I already thought. This is the same crap you always spew and you’re wrong. If there’s a trans boy that thinks he’s a girl on a roster a spot was taken. It’s that simple.

Ya I know you can’t read that much. Or do math. Or find reasonable evidence.

Your feels are the most important. That’s clear. That’s why your arguments are worthless and hateful. Because bigots don’t research. They’ve been taught not to. Because they’ll likely find they have been wrong the whole time.
Talking to you in the hopes of convincing YOU has always been useless. I know that some people that read your responses see you more and more as a racist bigot. Not much chance that anyone could hang those labels on me. I’m proud of that!

Edited February 24 by ThreePointTakedown

ThreePointTakedown · February 24

10 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Psychotherapy……

you skipped that part. They and YOU NEED IT

Accusation = confession

Scouts Honor · February 24

20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/45413586/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-wins-girls-calif-high-jump-title

As a junior, they tied for 1st in high jump, shared title in triple jump, took second at long jump.

CIF… additional students were allowed to compete and medal in events that ABH competed in. No placers were lost. Titles were shared. Where is the issue? Can't wait to see where y'all move the goalposts to. I guess it'll be, 'They shouldn't be able to compete at all, now'

Which means, taking away opportunities for cis girls to compete, was never your issue.

you said it wasn't happening, or was rare

speaking of moving goal posts

Scouts Honor · February 24

47 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Ya I know you can’t read that much. Or do math. Or find reasonable evidence.

so he is like gavin newsome?

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