Maxwell Smart Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Opining on the upcoming OSU/PSU dual is totally understandable given the match-ups, but where's the chatter about Iowa and their chances against PSU in Carver-Hawkeye and their match against Ohio State? Both events are huge and occur before OSU/PSU. Are the results such a forgone conclusion that the only discussion will be how big the scoring margin is? Do the Hawks have a chance in either dual? Asking more knowledgeable people than myself. And, they still have to go to OK ST before Big 10's and Nationals. 4-5 dual loses are realistic.
11986 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I think Iowa will be much more competitive with tOSU the 2nd time around and could maybe win. I don't think they give up 6 at 125 and another 6 at heavy again.
GV4444 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 The Iowa path to victory isn't much different in terms of odds than tOSU. PSU will be favored in 6 or 7 of the matches. The odds of Iowa flipping 2 or 3 may be more difficult than the matches tOSU would need to flip against PSU. Dispassionate Penn State grad and fan.
2001Hokie Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Man...the definition of irrelevant has gotten pretty aggressive lately! If you ain't first you're last I guess...
Pinnacle Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Wrestlestat has Endene beating Barr 11-5 and Iowa still losing by 6 in the dual.
Tyler Posted January 9 Posted January 9 What weights will Iowa be favored at against PSU? 184? Heavy? 125 and 133?
NM1965 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Maxwell Smart said: Opining on the upcoming OSU/PSU dual is totally understandable given the match-ups, but where's the chatter about Iowa and their chances against PSU in Carver-Hawkeye and their match against Ohio State? Both events are huge and occur before OSU/PSU. Are the results such a forgone conclusion that the only discussion will be how big the scoring margin is? Do the Hawks have a chance in either dual? Asking more knowledgeable people than myself. And, they still have to go to OK ST before Big 10's and Nationals. 4-5 dual loses are realistic. Well, Wrestestat has PSU beating Iowa 18-12. I looked at their picks, and they were reasonable except for Endene over Barr, and I think Keuter beats Mirasola, so that evens out. If anything PSU will pick up a few extra points in all likelihood due to major decisions. Wrestlestat has the Hawkeyes beating OSU 19-12. Looks questionable to me, as it predicts Ayala beating Davino, when Davino beat Ayala 10-4 at National Duals. I'd give Iowa the edge at home, 16-15 or so.
Le duke Posted January 9 Posted January 9 What weights will Iowa be favored at against PSU? 184? Heavy? 125 and 133? 184 and 285.Penn State picks up MDs at 149, 157, 174, 197. Could see Blaze putting up an MD on Ayala, too. DEC at 125, 141. If Mesenbrink is on a heater, 165 could be bonus.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 31 minutes ago, NM1965 said: Wrestlestat has the Hawkeyes beating OSU 19-12. No Wrestlestat has Iowa beating OSU 16-15. OSU may have a couple lineup changes that could be a big factor in the Feb 22 dual. The meet being in Stillwater will also be a factor and sure to be a nail-biter to the end. .
Nak21 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Iowa is very much still in the conversation. They just landed a major commitment today, Fargo champ. <whispering from off stage> Women’s wrestling? <more whispering> Ok then. Wrong forum, Well they’re still in the conversation when it’s a sub topic of other teams. Like the PSU dual which is 7 days away. 7 is also Iowa’s likely ceiling in said dual. They’ll probably win 184 - it’ll be 4-1 SV or 1-1,2-1 in UTBs. Think a battle of watching grass grow vs paint drying. And if Keuter doesn’t have some continuing nagging injury, he might MIGHT major Mirasola. PSU is likely to win all the other matches, many with bonus. Same thing will happen in 5 wks vs tOSU, except less bonus on PSUs part. So these other programs are very relevant still, when talking about how bad their duals vs PSU are likely to be. I kid, I kid…not really.
Pinnacle Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I'm having a hard time seeing Ayala beating either of Davino or Blaze.
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: I'm having a hard time seeing Ayala beating either of Davino or Blaze. ... Forrest? .
Pinnacle Posted January 9 Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, ionel said: ... Forrest? Jax is better wrestler, but sometimes it takes some matches to get used to the comp going up a level.
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Jax is better wrestler, but sometimes it takes some matches to get used to the comp going up a level. Is Frost a good warmup? .
Mr. PeanutButter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Coastal said: Iowa has fallen to irrelevancy. It's a women's wrestling school now. We've seen how they've done vs tOSU and even the pastry can't figure out a way his duckeyes can beat Penn State. The only real question is if everything can go rightA for them again and they can squeak by OKST. Iowa was the most recent team to win a championship and has had more AAs and finalists than any team not named PSU. I don recall if they have more individual champs, Ill have to update the Google sheet, but it's definitely razor thin (other than PSU, to be clear). If that makes Iowa irrelevant, then what does that make the other teams? It's fine if you think that PSU is the only "relevant" team. But if that's the case then it's pretty weird to dog on Iowa when, as of this point, every other team has performed worse
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Iowa ... and has had more AAs and finalists than any team not named PSU. Pretty sure that is not true. Betting OSU has more than either Iowa or PSU. .
Mr. PeanutButter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, ionel said: Pretty sure that is not true. Betting OSU has more than either Iowa or PSU. Good catch. I should have been more precise in my post. I was only talking about the time since Metcalf, which is when I started following the post (don't badger me, I was still a teenager)
MD152 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 No they are never out of it thats for sure, with all the talent they posses and will have in the future plus the advantage of the top noch coaching staff they are always a contender! IOWA is still a part of the "standard" in wrestling just not the big dog! now a days the TRANSFER PORTAL and NIL can change things instantly....here says me! Happy Friday to all....... lets consider tOSU this year and than look at a 2027 (so this year and next, im too uneducated to go past that) tOSU as many maybe even most would consider to be a major obstacle for PSU winning it all again (team title) this year, with 10 potentially All-American they still seeming will only be within 10 points, head to head it will be very interesting! TEAM IOWA CAN GET BACK TO THAT LEVEL AGAIN "being in the converstaion" just not this year... How about next year lets take a quick peak of course PSU will loose the hammer in Levi but will be fully recharged yet once again and looking like winning it possibly again in 2027 with OK ST as the likely title buster! 2027 PSU line up could be similar to this (with errors im sure) that a strong possibility of 5 National Champs and 8-10 AA's with Hodge winner Mesenbrink leading the way 125~ Lilledahl (Desmond very tuff weight cut) 133~ Blaze/Ono 141~ Ono/Blaze (Davis) 149~Van Ness (Davis) 157~Duke/Sealey (Kasak) 165~Kasak/MM (probably up to messenbrink and what he wants to do) 174~MM/Kasak 184~Welsh/Cunnigham (Henkle) 197~Barr (Mirasola) HWT~Mirasola (Transfer possible?)
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Good catch. I should have been more precise in my post. I was only talking about the time since Metcalf, which is when I started following the post (don't badger me, I was still a teenager) ahh ... the post Caldwell era. .
Mr. PeanutButter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Coastal said: In the last 15 years, Iowa's had what, Clark win one, Spencer win 3 then the historic choke and they bought Buchanan to win them one. A school like Cornell or even Oklahoma State would consider that a failure. The vaunted "Iowa Style" that kids used to want to emulate is now push, push, push while Carver yells "stalling". The dream score now 2-1 with escapes and a stall point or 4-1 with an OT TD. Kids don't dream about wrestling for Iowa. Even if we keep your cracker jack and incomplete list of champs that Iowa has had for the past "15 years", no sane and rational fan of OKST or Cornell would consider that a failure. Iowa has set itself up with some very solid recruiting classes for the next 2 years. More work is needed to keep pace with the competition (everyone knows OKST has monster classes) but to claim that nobody dreams of wrestling at Iowa is yet another falsehood. Now all that doesn't mean that I am pleased with how things have played out (especially since 2021) or that I ebullient about the current trajectory. There are (numerous) valid criticisms that can be made against the program. But I've seen enough of your posting history to know that that is not what you are interested in. You have a very obvious agenda that involves hating on Iowa at every opportunity you get, perhaps as an attempt to offload your misery, idk. Hating is your prerogative but if you're gonna spew nonsense then it shouldnt come as a surprise when someone corrects you.
Mr. PeanutButter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, ionel said: ahh ... the post Caldwell era. We don't talk about the backflip shove!
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Pinnacle said: I'm having a hard time seeing Ayala beating either of Davino or Blaze. Fugitt may be the test tonight. Unless the Brands say Fugg it.
Tyler Posted January 9 Posted January 9 37 minutes ago, Coastal said: The vaunted "Iowa Style" that kids used to want to emulate is now push, push, push while Carver yells "stalling". The dream score now 2-1 with escapes and a stall point or 4-1 with an OT TD. Kids don't dream about wrestling for Iowa. This made me laugh lol. This is pretty accurate
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Coastal said: Iowa is irrelevant. Spoiler Alert: they are still the spoiler alert for tOSU, OSU, Neb duals and ISU in the tourney.
SocraTease Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) WrestleStat often posts head-scratching and even absurd predictions based on their own data. Here's the prediction at 285 between PSU and Iowa: Cole Mirasola over Ben Keuter 6-4 despite the fact that Mirasola is 1-2 against common opponents (including Feldman) and Keuter is 4-1. Is there a way that they can correct this stuff? Mirasola could conceivably pull out a close win, but the predictive data doesn't support that result right now. Edited January 9 by SocraTease
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