Making DC great again.

[JimmySpeaks]

20 minutes ago, red viking said:

What a waste. They're already getting rich with their payoffs from drug dealers and stealing contraband. Meanwhile, the fat pigs just sit in the donut shops all day on a power trip. 

The waste would be what the union reps make.  Could solve all money problems by disbanding the corrupt unions. 

[fishbane]

3 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

The waste would be what the union reps make.  Could solve all money problems by disbanding the corrupt unions. 

Union reps are police officers in the department that were voted into position by officers in the department.  To the extent they are paid for their union responsibilities that comes from the union dues paid by officers.  If there is corruption in police unions the blame for that must fall on the officers - the union leadership and its members.

If you have an example of a police union that operates with non-police officers as labor representatives please provide it.  I think you are either mostly wrong in the most police unions operate differently than you think (police officers are the union reps and leadership selected by police officers) or you are confusing the union rep with a lawyer that might be employed by the union or paid for by the union to advise or represent an officer in a particular legal matter.

[Caveira]

15 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Union reps are police officers in the department that were voted into position by officers in the department.  To the extent they are paid for their union responsibilities that comes from the union dues paid by officers.  If there is corruption in police unions the blame for that must fall on the officers - the union leadership and its members.

If you have an example of a police union that operates with non-police officers as labor representatives please provide it.  I think you are either mostly wrong in the most police unions operate differently than you think (police officers are the union reps and leadership selected by police officers) or you are confusing the union rep with a lawyer that might be employed by the union or paid for by the union to advise or represent an officer in a particular legal matter.

Compare and contrast that to the teachers unions 

[wrestlingguy]

5 hours ago, red viking said:

What a waste. They're already getting rich with their payoffs from drug dealers and stealing contraband. Meanwhile, the fat pigs just sit in the donut shops all day on a power trip. 

More made up BS. Weren't you one of the posters on here saying things aren't like you see in the movies?

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

More made up BS. Weren't you one of the posters on here saying things aren't like you see in the movies?

When it comes to cops, it's worse than the movies. 

[fishbane]

20 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Compare and contrast that to the teachers unions 

I am less familiar with teachers unions, but all unions have some similarities.  I am sure it works in much the same way overall.  The main difference if that there are large national unions for teachers.  The National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) are two of the largest unions in this country.  They have millions of members, hundreds of employees, and headquartered in Washington DC.  

The local chapter of the teachers unions might be operate similarly to the police union, but there is the big national body over top of it.  That isn’t the case for police unions.  This isn’t true of the DC MPD because they are in DC, but let’s use the Minneapolis MPD as an example.  The rank and file are represented by the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis (POFM) and there is no national office in DC with hundreds of full time employees to answer to.  The POFM is run by a board of directors that are 10 police officers from the MPD voted for by the membership which are all MPD officers.  They might have like 10 employees.  So if the POFM is corrupt there is no national organization in DC with hundreds of employees and leaders elected by millions of teachers across the country to blame.  It’s all Minneapolis police offices and a handful or two of admin staff and lawyers employed directly by them.

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I am less familiar with teachers unions, but all unions have some similarities.  I am sure it works in much the same way overall.  The main difference if that there are large national unions for teachers.  The National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) are two of the largest unions in this country.  They have millions of members, hundreds of employees, and headquartered in Washington DC.  

The local chapter of the teachers unions might be operate similarly to the police union, but there is the big national body over top of it.  That isn’t the case for police unions.  This isn’t true of the DC MPD because they are in DC, but let’s use the Minneapolis MPD as an example.  The rank and file are represented by the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis (POFM) and there is no national office in DC with hundreds of full time employees to answer to.  The POFM is run by a board of directors that are 10 police officers from the MPD voted for by the membership which are all MPD officers.  They might have like 10 employees.  So if the POFM is corrupt there is no national organization in DC with hundreds of employees and leaders elected by millions of teachers across the country to blame.  It’s all Minneapolis police offices and a handful or two of admin staff and lawyers employed directly by them.

When did the President of NEA last teach a class?  Why do we need a national teachers union when schools and school districts are local?  

Why don't we have a National Wrestling Coaches Union (NWCU)? 

Edited 27 minutes ago by ionel

[mspart]

22 minutes ago, red viking said:

When it comes to cops, it's worse than the movies. 

And as a geologist, and past EMT and weapons guy in the army, you would know this how?   It sounds like you are a defund the police guy.   Quite  radical.   

mspart

[fishbane]

18 minutes ago, ionel said:

When did the President of NEA last teach a class?  Why do we need a national teachers union when schools and school districts are local?  

I’m not sure.  The president recently said that she spent 31 of her 70 years teaching middle school.  Making some general assumptions regarding when she started teaching and her career I’d say 17 years ago.  Maybe less for the last time she was a middle school teacher.  Might been more recent for teaching a single class of any kind.

Teachers Unions are a little off topic of this particular thread, but I imagine the national body does lobbying and advocacy. Police do this too but not through a large national union.  It through organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP).  

Edited 11 minutes ago by fishbane

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

Union reps are police officers in the department that were voted into position by officers in the department.  To the extent they are paid for their union responsibilities that comes from the union dues paid by officers.  If there is corruption in police unions the blame for that must fall on the officers - the union leadership and its members.

If you have an example of a police union that operates with non-police officers as labor representatives please provide it.  I think you are either mostly wrong in the most police unions operate differently than you think (police officers are the union reps and leadership selected by police officers) or you are confusing the union rep with a lawyer that might be employed by the union or paid for by the union to advise or represent an officer in a particular legal matter.

It’s like voting for the president. Your options are limited and usually terrible.  Have you ever sat in on union negotiations?  I have. 

[JimmySpeaks]

38 minutes ago, red viking said:

When it comes to cops, it's worse than the movies. 

Ok comrade