Kamala is out

[Tripnsweep]

18 minutes ago, mspart said:

AI Overview

California produces a significant portion of the food supply for the United States. Specifically, it generates 12.5% of all agricultural production in the US. Furthermore, California supplies about one-third of the nation's vegetables and three-quarters of its fruits and nuts. The state is also a major producer of milk, accounting for nearly 20% of the nation's total.

 

They have a significant impact on what we eat.  

 

mspart

And that isn't changing no matter who the governor of California is. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

AI Overview

California produces a significant portion of the food supply for the United States. Specifically, it generates 12.5% of all agricultural production in the US. Furthermore, California supplies about one-third of the nation's vegetables and three-quarters of its fruits and nuts. The state is also a major producer of milk, accounting for nearly 20% of the nation's total.

 

They have a significant impact on what we eat.  

 

mspart

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

[WrestlingRasta]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

Pretty much all of it is produced in other states, just not nearly to the level. 

[Tripnsweep]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

Could be, but isn't. There's probably a reason for that. 

[ionel]

53 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Could be, but isn't. There's probably a reason for that. 

Well there is a reason fore the nuts & there quota crops but the rest could be produced elsewhere.

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 1:24 PM, ionel said:

What is it CA produces that the rest of the country can't do without or obtain elsewhere?   Late night TV doesn't count as most of us can do without.  

Really? I don't know, why don't you look at Semiconductors. The most important technology in the world right now.

That's a pretty big one. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:10 AM, Bigbrog said:

Seriously....you cannot believe this??  

I...absolutely believe this. 

Where is Nvidia, AMD, Broadcom located?

PANW, QCOM, SMCI... 

Oklo... Tesla...which has since pulled up stakes, but in this scenario, California is it's own Country and... obviously wouldn't let them leave. And before people talk about EVs that... is NOT what makes Tesla an important company. In fac, their EV sales are...almost inconsequential. They should be a fraction of the size of Toyota if it was just about their cars. But it's not, it's about the Robotics.

Rocket Labs... I mean, you could go on and on, but... you have all of the AI companies, you have the software and hardware and then you have the internet defense companies like PAWN, CRWD and the like. 

 

And California would need what from the rest of the US that they wouldn't be able to buy?

I started at the end and just noticed people talking about farming and the like... no, that's...not the issue. I'm talking about the technologies that are changing the world and revolutionizing the US Economy and...moreover the Global Economy. 

The Technology that the Biden Administration thought was too important and powerful to put it in the hands of China or the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar...Israel. 

 

If California didn't have to pay out to the Federal Government, their Economy would be even stronger. So yes, there's no question California is more important to the US than the rest of the US is to California. The fact that you do have so much farming and that they're on the coast and were it necessary could easily have an endless supply of potable water for for their farming and...what do you suppose they would need from the US?

 

And again, in this scenario, each side is cut off to the other sides resources, technology, what have you. 

 

If you find that so amusing Robby... you may want to educate yourself. 

 

 

What did Trump say was the most important Technology and his priority to ensure the United States remain the world leaders in? AI. That ALL originates in California. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:38 AM, Bigbrog said:

Yeah...just my opinion.  And honestly...most of the state is beautiful and the people are great...however, a few cities sure give it a bad rap...as well as some of their policies...all in all a great place to visit...love the Palm Springs area.

I am at a loss as to why you'd conflate "a few cities" with the larger sentiment. 

 

On 7/31/2025 at 1:32 PM, Caveira said:

Lots of Silicon Valley has been moving to Seattle / Austin as well as of late.   

Cool. "Lots." That's a very detailed explanation. Joe Rogan and Elon Musk.

 

Let me ask you this...do you think the US would allow... lets say...NVDA, AAPL, AVGO, QCOM, META to move to another Country? No, of course not. 

Even when Tesla "moved," from California, to Delaware to Texas(basically whenever Elon doesn't get his way)... their Engineering Department remains in California. 

Why is this? Because that's where all the Engineers go. That's where the money is. 

 

California has the 4th largest GDP in the world, ahead of Japan, India..

It trails just the US, China and Germany...and it'd likely move ahead of Germany and...the US MAY move below China if California was not part of the United States. 

 

California is the most important State in the Union. Texas, New York, Alaska... they're important as well, but in terms of innovation, 

I made a statement and a couple people got a bit emotional about the political leanings of California... which is odd as I didn't bring up Politics. 

 

 

The SINGLE strongest bargaining Chip Trump had when it came to China... was being able to buy Semiconductors that are created in California. 

The entire world is lining up to buy them. 

You have an industry that's projected to generate 1 Trillions dollars per annum by 2028 and...it is ALL controlled by California. You have leaders of industry like Elon Musk and Larry Ellison begging... literally begging Nvidia to "take our money, please, take our money first," it's so important to their Company. 

 

How about the companies that protect ALL of that information we keep online? California.  

 

This is all a moot point as neither California, nor Texas nor... any of the States that make up our Great Country are leaving, but while it's cute for everyone to constantly trash California, you MAY want to stop and consider it's contributions to making the United States great before making some ignorant comments about how what California could have been... 'if only.' 

If only what? You agreed with their politics? Imagine what Texas could be if they had any regulations and didn't shut down when it was 30 degrees out because they have a 3rd world power grid or what Florida could have been if Meth didn't become the States pastime.  Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:30 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

I don’t know about “completely ridiculous”, but I hear you. 

I would say if I was talking about subsidizing the Red States it would be completely ridiculous. 

California is driving what GDP growth there is, it's driving your 401Ks, your ROTH IRAs and if you have a self managed fund... well, if you're not invested in companies from California, you're...almost certainly losing money. About 34% of SPY is from California(it's significantly higher if you look at the companies that are actually in California, that innovate in California...again, like Tesla who's engineering department is in California but headquarters are often elsewhere for tax benefits. 

That's the US Market.

So yes, what they pay in taxes is extraordinarily important, but almost inconsequential relative to the larger point I was making. 

 

It's just the easiest target for the intellectually lazy to take shots at. They ignore the 5 move violent states per capita are Republican States, they just imagine they're all blue. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 9:04 PM, Caveira said:

We’re dumber than you think.  

It was an EXCEEDINGLY low bar and... yet still fell well short. But we have certainly found something we agree on!

On 7/31/2025 at 9:04 PM, Caveira said:

Maybe go buy some blockbuster stock.

Funny... but that'd be one of the most successful companies of the last 20 years had they paid 5M dollars for Netflix in 1998. The Texas company literally laughed at them. Then when Netflix had a little more success, they could have bought them for 50M in 2000. Again...nope. By 2008, they were worth 3.8B...and Blockbuster's 9K stores dwindled down t...one.

Incidentally, Netflix, California company now had a 500B market cap. 

On 7/31/2025 at 7:39 PM, Caveira said:

 The comedy isn’t as funny as it used to be and they just fired one of the more popular ones who was losing $40 million dollars a year.   So I suppose that can be produced anywhere or nowhere and people wouldn’t really notice or care.  

... you don't know what the word "subjective" means, do you? 

The ratings for everything are declining. 

 

I think it's...very telling that in the midst of the most radical change in the American Economy in over 150 years, when I made mention of the importance of California, you went to Late Night TV and Almonds...

 

Jesus... some people really can't escape that bubble and only see the world though social media clips online. 

Edited yesterday at 07:44 AM by scourge165

[Caveira]

6 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Cool. "Lots." That's a very detailed explanation. Joe Rogan and Elon Musk.

It’s more than those two 

[Caveira]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

... you don't know what the word "subjective" means, do you? 

You don’t know what the word losing 40 million a year means do you.  

Edited yesterday at 12:45 PM by Caveira

[scourge165]

17 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s more than those two 

I know. It's "lots." So many that... it's not even worth naming all of them!

And again, even the companies that move their headquarters, they keep the core of their business in California. Oracle(I gave you a 3rd) runs from it's California offices. It's where the majority of it's workforce is and where they're programmers are. 

 

And if California didn't have to subsidize so many Red States, their own States taxes would be a LOT lower. 

 

 

17 hours ago, Caveira said:

You don’t know what the word losing 40 million a year means do you.  

... "what the word losing 40 million a year means?"

What is "the word?" You realize that's multiple words, right?

 

Also, I said literally nothing about their P&L. I said you don't know what the word "subjective" is. 
See, when I did it, I actually used a word. When you did it, you used... a sentence. 

You also realize that... still doesn't mean someone is funny or not, right?

Do you understand why he was canceled?

 

-Do you get he still had the highest viewership, 2.4M a night?
-Do you understand people 18-49, the most valuable demographic has largely cut the cord and they're now streaming. So despite his viewership still being dominant, the more important demographic, among which he was...again, still the most popular, well there were less of them watching the show live... as people did in the good old days when Iowa was still the top program. 

They now stream the show, fast-forward the commercial.

What do you think that causes? That's rhetorical, it causes advertisers to pay FAR less in advertising fees. 

 

This, NOT the success of the program of the perception of Colbert being "funny," which again, is...objectively...subjective, led to the advertising dropping from 440M per annum to ~220M.

That's a 160M a year loss purely due to how people consume Television. 

It wasn't some larger statement about who is "funny," though with the moron we have running the country suing people for free speech, and paramount going through a merger, that...very likely played a role. 

 

 

In any event, that you thought comedy wasn't subjective isn't NEARLY as stupid as you thinking a TV show that tapes in New York City somehow contributed to California's value to the United States in terms of GDP and more importantly, where 5 of the largest 10 companies in the WORLD are located.

 

I can't imagine someone saying California is important and coming back and answering, 'err...why, because a show they tape in New York City that loses money!' 

Please Christ tell me you have someone manage your retirement for you. I don't care if they charge 10% per year, you seem like the type who'd invest in DJT or Trump Steaks while saying "Crypto isn't real money! Suckers! I'll never!" 

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I know. It's "lots." So many that... it's not even worth naming all of them!

And again, even the companies that move their headquarters, they keep the core of their business in California. Oracle(I gave you a 3rd) runs from it's California offices. It's where the majority of it's workforce is and where they're programmers are. 

 

And if California didn't have to subsidize so many Red States, their own States taxes would be a LOT lower. 

 

 

... "what the word losing 40 million a year means?"

What is "the word?" You realize that's multiple words, right?

 

Also, I said literally nothing about their P&L. I said you don't know what the word "subjective" is. 
See, when I did it, I actually used a word. When you did it, you used... a sentence. 

You also realize that... still doesn't mean someone is funny or not, right?

Do you understand why he was canceled?

 

-Do you get he still had the highest viewership, 2.4M a night?
-Do you understand people 18-49, the most valuable demographic has largely cut the cord and they're now streaming. So despite his viewership still being dominant, the more important demographic, among which he was...again, still the most popular, well there were less of them watching the show live... as people did in the good old days when Iowa was still the top program. 

They now stream the show, fast-forward the commercial.

What do you think that causes? That's rhetorical, it causes advertisers to pay FAR less in advertising fees. 

 

This, NOT the success of the program of the perception of Colbert being "funny," which again, is...objectively...subjective, led to the advertising dropping from 440M per annum to ~220M.

That's a 160M a year loss purely due to how people consume Television. 

It wasn't some larger statement about who is "funny," though with the moron we have running the country suing people for free speech, and paramount going through a merger, that...very likely played a role. 

 

 

In any event, that you thought comedy wasn't subjective isn't NEARLY as stupid as you thinking a TV show that tapes in New York City somehow contributed to California's value to the United States in terms of GDP and more importantly, where 5 of the largest 10 companies in the WORLD are located.

 

I can't imagine someone saying California is important and coming back and answering, 'err...why, because a show they tape in New York City that loses money!' 

Please Christ tell me you have someone manage your retirement for you. I don't care if they charge 10% per year, you seem like the type who'd invest in DJT or Trump Steaks while saying "Crypto isn't real money! Suckers! I'll never!" 

More than 85% of Oracle’s employees do not work in their Redwood City office….. 

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I know. It's "lots." So many that... it's not even worth naming all of them!

And again, even the companies that move their headquarters, they keep the core of their business in California. Oracle(I gave you a 3rd) runs from it's California offices. It's where the majority of it's workforce is and where they're programmers are. 

 

And if California didn't have to subsidize so many Red States, their own States taxes would be a LOT lower. 

 

 

... "what the word losing 40 million a year means?"

What is "the word?" You realize that's multiple words, right?

 

Also, I said literally nothing about their P&L. I said you don't know what the word "subjective" is. 
See, when I did it, I actually used a word. When you did it, you used... a sentence. 

You also realize that... still doesn't mean someone is funny or not, right?

Do you understand why he was canceled?

 

-Do you get he still had the highest viewership, 2.4M a night?
-Do you understand people 18-49, the most valuable demographic has largely cut the cord and they're now streaming. So despite his viewership still being dominant, the more important demographic, among which he was...again, still the most popular, well there were less of them watching the show live... as people did in the good old days when Iowa was still the top program. 

They now stream the show, fast-forward the commercial.

What do you think that causes? That's rhetorical, it causes advertisers to pay FAR less in advertising fees. 

 

This, NOT the success of the program of the perception of Colbert being "funny," which again, is...objectively...subjective, led to the advertising dropping from 440M per annum to ~220M.

That's a 160M a year loss purely due to how people consume Television. 

It wasn't some larger statement about who is "funny," though with the moron we have running the country suing people for free speech, and paramount going through a merger, that...very likely played a role. 

 

 

In any event, that you thought comedy wasn't subjective isn't NEARLY as stupid as you thinking a TV show that tapes in New York City somehow contributed to California's value to the United States in terms of GDP and more importantly, where 5 of the largest 10 companies in the WORLD are located.

 

I can't imagine someone saying California is important and coming back and answering, 'err...why, because a show they tape in New York City that loses money!' 

Please Christ tell me you have someone manage your retirement for you. I don't care if they charge 10% per year, you seem like the type who'd invest in DJT or Trump Steaks while saying "Crypto isn't real money! Suckers! I'll never!" 

I’ve worked at more than one company that left Cali.  Here is a short list of some others: 
 

chevron, Tesla, Twitter , space x , oracle, Hewlett-Packard, McKesson, Charles Schwab, palantir, CBRR, AECOM, fico (fair Isaac), Toyota motor North America, kubota tractor corporation, Jamba Juice, in n out burger, John Paul Mitchel systems.

350+ left from 2018 to 2021.  
200+ from 2021 to 2025.  
800+ from 2011 - 2021. 
 

Most are leaving for excessive high taxes, complex regulations, and the cost of living in California.    It’s not just Cali - other blue states are losing businesses too.   

For example Illinois lost 

Boeing, caterpillar, Allstate,  citadel , Tyson foods, peak6 investing, ttx, guggenheim partners, prairie farms diaries, office max, Chicago bridge and iron,  and yaskawa America.  
 

why leave Illinois.   Again mainly taxes.  
 

Other blue state departures of note.  
 

Yum brands (kfc Taco Bell Pizza Hut), foot locker, arrow electrics, adecco staffing, Gentiva health.

[El Luchador]

On 8/1/2025 at 6:26 PM, Tripnsweep said:

And that isn't changing no matter who the governor of California is. 

Our farmers dump milk and we pay people not to farm. The only reason a very over regulated California can sell anything is because of their location and shipping costs.  

[JimmySpeaks]

California needs water to survive.  

[scourge165]

3 hours ago, Caveira said:

I’ve worked at more than one company that left Cali.  Here is a short list of some others: 
 

chevron, Tesla, Twitter , space x , oracle, Hewlett-Packard, McKesson, Charles Schwab, palantir, CBRR, AECOM, fico (fair Isaac), Toyota motor North America, kubota tractor corporation, Jamba Juice, in n out burger, John Paul Mitchel systems.

350+ left from 2018 to 2021.  
200+ from 2021 to 2025.  
800+ from 2011 - 2021. 

Ok... for starters, I don't care where you've worked. I mean, anecdotally... it's midly interesting, but it's got nothing to do with the subject.

Now, the companies that left.

I see you start RIGHT out of the gate with Tesla. I believe I addressed this one and ...in fact others on the list.

They move their headquarters out. They still have their engineering department there. The Brains of the operation. Why? Because that's where the talent is, that's where the majority of their workers are. Same thing with Oracle.

Palantir-Again, all of it's major offices are in...Palo Alto. D, software engineering, product management, Palo Alto. The bulk of the company, California. It's moved for tax purposes. 

Oracle-Already touched on that one. 

Space X-Where do they actually create and make their rockets? Hawthorne, California. And then they ship them to Texas. Why? For the same reason TSMC had so much trouble finding enough people in Arizona and had to pay massive bonuses to get people to move there. THE TALENT IS IN CALIFORNIA. 

The talent, the programmers, the venture capitalist, the innovation, it's almost all in...California. 

 

I'm actually just amused that you cited In and out Burger. Again, they just announced and the majority of their stores are in California, but I don't think the argument was EVER made that California's importance to the Union was it's...fast food. 

 

And....seriously? Did you include a HAIR Care company? LOL... Jamba Juice?

 

Let me ask you something, when Tesla moved to Delware, what do you think ACTUALLY changed? Nothing. And then when they wouldn't give Musk his 55B package...which to be fair, they should have, and I voted for it, but all the same, you think anything changed when they moved again?

 

You're telling me where they rent an office with an address on it so they can pay less in taxes, NOT where the actual innovation happens. 

 

AND... this is ALL ignoring that 5 of the 10 BIGGEST companies in the world are STILL in California including the most important ones. NVDA, AVGO...AMD(and hundreds more, but that's the industry that's QUICKLY becoming the largest in the world. 

 

It's obvious you just cut and pasted this as there's no Earthly Way you would mention a Fast Food restaurant that JUST changed headquarters to somewhere in Tennessee and STILL has the vast majority of it's locations in California(I think it was 350 as the announcement was just a week or two ago). 

Or JAMBA JUICE? Please, prey tell, what is the strategic importance of Jamba Juice?

 

The entire world is literally fighting over Nvidia's B200 NV72 GPU Clusters to power their Data Centers and they need Broadcom(AVGO) to help make the specialized chips to make them work, and SMCI to cool the Data Centers as they run so hot. 

But...Jamba Juice and Paul Mitchell Hair Care Products moved their headquarters. Yeah, I'd say that's about equal importance!

 

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

Most are leaving for excessive high taxes, complex regulations, and the cost of living in California.    It’s not just Cali - other blue states are losing businesses too.   

Yeah, this is about the importance of California to the United States. If you want to talk about other States and which states are run better, you can look at the States with the most violent crime and the worst education. 

But again, even the companies you mentioned... you glossed right over the fact that the largest ones I'd ALREADY mentioned and pointed out that the most essential aspects of their business are STILL located in California. 

And now you want to talk about other blue states? Well, lets see if they can find the talent they need to build the world's most sophisticated semiconductors in Mississippi or Alabama. 

Even Taiwan Semiconductor which moved to AZ, a Purple State, they've publicly said that was a mistake as they costs were ~20% higher to hire people FROM California to come and work at their fabs. 

 

 

So now, AGAIN, we're living in a world in which California is NOT part of the United States and they do NOT have to subsidize the red states and they don't have to pay 126 BILLION DOLLARS.

Operating under this very simple premise, do you think Canada's more valuable corporations would be able to move to the most tax advantaged State in the United States(or move to ANY State in the US at all)?

 

I feel like you're not understanding the discussion.  It's if California was it's own State. Based on the industry and what is made there(which is going to include much of Space X, virtually everything Tesla is doing with Robotics and FSD, Oracle... as that is STILL where it's more important divisions are located....hell, it's where almost ALL of their company is located but their accounting department).

 

And none of it changes...about 34% of the SPY Market Cap is still business that are headquartered IN California even without the companies who have kept their manufacturing there and only moved their headquarters. 

 

Why do you think Elon Musk spends all his time at his CALIFORNIA campuses? Because his business are from Texas? 

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

More than 85% of Oracle’s employees do not work in their Redwood City office….. 

Ok...and what I said was;

9 hours ago, scourge165 said:

And again, even the companies that move their headquarters, they keep the core of their business in California. Oracle(I gave you a 3rd) runs from it's California offices. It's where the majority of it's workforce is and where they're programmers are. 

Did I say 85%?

I don't recall. I do know they have like 125,000 employees and about ~2000 are located in Texas.

 

If you want to call that a "Texas" company... ok...cool. 

 

Their R&D, sales, consulting, engineering, support, and research are all located in California. 

They are at their offices in Irvine, Pleasanton, Redwood Shores, Rocklin, Santa Clara, Santa Monica.

Their famous "Emerald City," in Redwood is STILL where their innovation and engineering takes place.

 

Meanwhile, in Texas, they subleased the office that is their "Headquarters." 

So please, lets not insult each others intelligence anymore by arguing the parts of these companies that make them valuable are from Texas or...wherever. Or...again, that anyone gives a single bowel movement about In and Out now paying Tennessee tax rates while still making most of their money in... California.

 

As for their "overregulation," yeah... I've said that repeatedly. And Texas is the other end of that spectrum with their power grid and building standards. They have ZERO regulation. There's a happy medium. I don't know where you live, but the entire State doesn't shut down because it's 30 degrees and and the unregulated power grid goes down. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok...and what I said was;

Did I say 85%?

I don't recall. I do know they have like 125,000 employees and about ~2000 are located in Texas.

 

If you want to call that a "Texas" company... ok...cool. 

 

Their R&D, sales, consulting, engineering, support, and research are all located in California. 

They are at their offices in Irvine, Pleasanton, Redwood Shores, Rocklin, Santa Clara, Santa Monica.

Their famous "Emerald City," in Redwood is STILL where their innovation and engineering takes place.

 

Meanwhile, in Texas, they subleased the office that is their "Headquarters." 

So please, lets not insult each others intelligence anymore by arguing the parts of these companies that make them valuable are from Texas or...wherever. Or...again, that anyone gives a single bowel movement about In and Out now paying Tennessee tax rates while still making most of their money in... California.

 

As for their "overregulation," yeah... I've said that repeatedly. And Texas is the other end of that spectrum with their power grid and building standards. They have ZERO regulation. There's a happy medium. I don't know where you live, but the entire State doesn't shut down because it's 30 degrees and and the unregulated power grid goes down. 

Where do those taxes go ?

[JimmySpeaks]

California can’t survive without the Colorado River.  

[Tripnsweep]

4 hours ago, El Luchador said:

Our farmers dump milk and we pay people not to farm. The only reason a very over regulated California can sell anything is because of their location and shipping costs.  

Do you just make things up and hope it turns out to be even marginally true? 

[Caveira]

39 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Do you just make things up and hope it turns out to be even marginally true? 

What is the USDA's Milk Loss Program?   Or the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) (not milk)?

[scourge165]

25 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Where do those taxes go ?

I feel like you're having an ENTIRELY different conversation here.

The premise;

California was it's own State. 

Would THEY need the United States more than the United States would need them. 

 

I've pointed out that virtually all the technology, the research and development, the largest corporations STILL reside in California, including the most sought after technology in THE WORLD right now. 

You; But... some companies are moving their headquarters and paying taxes in other states. 

 

Ok...AND? California is STILL paying a ~130 BILLION dollar surplus to the Federal Gov't that they otherwise wouldn't and in this...admittedly ridiculous scenario in which they are they're own Country...with a GDP just behind Japan for the 4th largest in the WORLD, do you think they would allow a company to keep the core of it's workforce in one Country and then move to another?

Does the United States allow MSFT to have all of their employees in the US except for 8 who co-lease an office in the Cayman Islands?

 

I mean, of course many smaller Corporations do that and it's illegal and the US goes after them every year, but a 20M dollar company is not quite the same as a Trillion dollar company, right?

 

So... when you decide on the point of this conversation and stay on track...well, it'll still be over because you have yet to make a coherent point about other than to further the argument that the United States needs California and it's Engineers and workers more than California needs the United States. 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, El Luchador said:

Our farmers dump milk and we pay people not to farm. The only reason a very over regulated California can sell anything is because of their location and shipping costs.  

Yes, paying farmers not to far dates back to the New Deal and the primary beneficiaries of that are Missouri, Iowa and other Red States. 

This is all about further subsidizing Farmers and stabilizing prices. The dumping of Milk is for the same reason. 

 

I'm still kinda in awe that THIS is what you think of when you're thinking of California industry. 

I was more speaking to the industry that's currently on a run rate to be worth 1 Trillion dollars per year in 3 years(not 5 as previously thought) and is... going to revolutionize warfare. AI and every Company who makes it possible upstream and downstream. 

 

I don't know how the Government's practice of conservation and not overfarming plays into this conversation or... in what world you think the ONLY way California "can sell anything," is because of their location and shipping costs.

That's it? That's why it'd be the 4th largest GDP in the world, ahead of Germany, the UK, France... or ANY European Country? Because it's... on the West Coast? 

This is only proof that they could easily self sustain without the need for much agriculture from other States.

 

California can raise cattle and produce Milk a LOT easier than Missouri or Alabama, can create Semiconductors or high speed ethernet or liquid cooling for massive data centers, or small nuclear power plants that can produce 12 gigawatts. 

 

Oh, and... again, 130 BILLION dollars less that they'd have to pay the Federal Government.