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[Tripnsweep]

18 minutes ago, mspart said:

AI Overview

California produces a significant portion of the food supply for the United States. Specifically, it generates 12.5% of all agricultural production in the US. Furthermore, California supplies about one-third of the nation's vegetables and three-quarters of its fruits and nuts. The state is also a major producer of milk, accounting for nearly 20% of the nation's total.

 

They have a significant impact on what we eat.  

 

mspart

And that isn't changing no matter who the governor of California is. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

AI Overview

California produces a significant portion of the food supply for the United States. Specifically, it generates 12.5% of all agricultural production in the US. Furthermore, California supplies about one-third of the nation's vegetables and three-quarters of its fruits and nuts. The state is also a major producer of milk, accounting for nearly 20% of the nation's total.

 

They have a significant impact on what we eat.  

 

mspart

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

[WrestlingRasta]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

Pretty much all of it is produced in other states, just not nearly to the level. 

[Tripnsweep]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

Except for the fruits & nuts all of this could be produced in other state. 

Could be, but isn't. There's probably a reason for that. 

[ionel]

53 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Could be, but isn't. There's probably a reason for that. 

Well there is a reason fore the nuts & there quota crops but the rest could be produced elsewhere.

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 1:24 PM, ionel said:

What is it CA produces that the rest of the country can't do without or obtain elsewhere?   Late night TV doesn't count as most of us can do without.  

Really? I don't know, why don't you look at Semiconductors. The most important technology in the world right now.

That's a pretty big one. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:10 AM, Bigbrog said:

Seriously....you cannot believe this??  

I...absolutely believe this. 

Where is Nvidia, AMD, Broadcom located?

PANW, QCOM, SMCI... 

Oklo... Tesla...which has since pulled up stakes, but in this scenario, California is it's own Country and... obviously wouldn't let them leave. And before people talk about EVs that... is NOT what makes Tesla an important company. In fac, their EV sales are...almost inconsequential. They should be a fraction of the size of Toyota if it was just about their cars. But it's not, it's about the Robotics.

Rocket Labs... I mean, you could go on and on, but... you have all of the AI companies, you have the software and hardware and then you have the internet defense companies like PAWN, CRWD and the like. 

 

And California would need what from the rest of the US that they wouldn't be able to buy?

I started at the end and just noticed people talking about farming and the like... no, that's...not the issue. I'm talking about the technologies that are changing the world and revolutionizing the US Economy and...moreover the Global Economy. 

The Technology that the Biden Administration thought was too important and powerful to put it in the hands of China or the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar...Israel. 

 

If California didn't have to pay out to the Federal Government, their Economy would be even stronger. So yes, there's no question California is more important to the US than the rest of the US is to California. The fact that you do have so much farming and that they're on the coast and were it necessary could easily have an endless supply of potable water for for their farming and...what do you suppose they would need from the US?

 

And again, in this scenario, each side is cut off to the other sides resources, technology, what have you. 

 

If you find that so amusing Robby... you may want to educate yourself. 

 

 

What did Trump say was the most important Technology and his priority to ensure the United States remain the world leaders in? AI. That ALL originates in California. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:38 AM, Bigbrog said:

Yeah...just my opinion.  And honestly...most of the state is beautiful and the people are great...however, a few cities sure give it a bad rap...as well as some of their policies...all in all a great place to visit...love the Palm Springs area.

I am at a loss as to why you'd conflate "a few cities" with the larger sentiment. 

 

On 7/31/2025 at 1:32 PM, Caveira said:

Lots of Silicon Valley has been moving to Seattle / Austin as well as of late.   

Cool. "Lots." That's a very detailed explanation. Joe Rogan and Elon Musk.

 

Let me ask you this...do you think the US would allow... lets say...NVDA, AAPL, AVGO, QCOM, META to move to another Country? No, of course not. 

Even when Tesla "moved," from California, to Delaware to Texas(basically whenever Elon doesn't get his way)... their Engineering Department remains in California. 

Why is this? Because that's where all the Engineers go. That's where the money is. 

 

California has the 4th largest GDP in the world, ahead of Japan, India..

It trails just the US, China and Germany...and it'd likely move ahead of Germany and...the US MAY move below China if California was not part of the United States. 

 

California is the most important State in the Union. Texas, New York, Alaska... they're important as well, but in terms of innovation, 

I made a statement and a couple people got a bit emotional about the political leanings of California... which is odd as I didn't bring up Politics. 

 

 

The SINGLE strongest bargaining Chip Trump had when it came to China... was being able to buy Semiconductors that are created in California. 

The entire world is lining up to buy them. 

You have an industry that's projected to generate 1 Trillions dollars per annum by 2028 and...it is ALL controlled by California. You have leaders of industry like Elon Musk and Larry Ellison begging... literally begging Nvidia to "take our money, please, take our money first," it's so important to their Company. 

 

How about the companies that protect ALL of that information we keep online? California.  

 

This is all a moot point as neither California, nor Texas nor... any of the States that make up our Great Country are leaving, but while it's cute for everyone to constantly trash California, you MAY want to stop and consider it's contributions to making the United States great before making some ignorant comments about how what California could have been... 'if only.' 

If only what? You agreed with their politics? Imagine what Texas could be if they had any regulations and didn't shut down when it was 30 degrees out because they have a 3rd world power grid or what Florida could have been if Meth didn't become the States pastime.  Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 8:30 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

I don’t know about “completely ridiculous”, but I hear you. 

I would say if I was talking about subsidizing the Red States it would be completely ridiculous. 

California is driving what GDP growth there is, it's driving your 401Ks, your ROTH IRAs and if you have a self managed fund... well, if you're not invested in companies from California, you're...almost certainly losing money. About 34% of SPY is from California(it's significantly higher if you look at the companies that are actually in California, that innovate in California...again, like Tesla who's engineering department is in California but headquarters are often elsewhere for tax benefits. 

That's the US Market.

So yes, what they pay in taxes is extraordinarily important, but almost inconsequential relative to the larger point I was making. 

 

It's just the easiest target for the intellectually lazy to take shots at. They ignore the 5 move violent states per capita are Republican States, they just imagine they're all blue. 

[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 9:04 PM, Caveira said:

We’re dumber than you think.  

It was an EXCEEDINGLY low bar and... yet still fell well short. But we have certainly found something we agree on!

On 7/31/2025 at 9:04 PM, Caveira said:

Maybe go buy some blockbuster stock.

Funny... but that'd be one of the most successful companies of the last 20 years had they paid 5M dollars for Netflix in 1998. The Texas company literally laughed at them. Then when Netflix had a little more success, they could have bought them for 50M in 2000. Again...nope. By 2008, they were worth 3.8B...and Blockbuster's 9K stores dwindled down t...one.

Incidentally, Netflix, California company now had a 500B market cap. 

On 7/31/2025 at 7:39 PM, Caveira said:

 The comedy isn’t as funny as it used to be and they just fired one of the more popular ones who was losing $40 million dollars a year.   So I suppose that can be produced anywhere or nowhere and people wouldn’t really notice or care.  

... you don't know what the word "subjective" means, do you? 

The ratings for everything are declining. 

 

I think it's...very telling that in the midst of the most radical change in the American Economy in over 150 years, when I made mention of the importance of California, you went to Late Night TV and Almonds...

 

Jesus... some people really can't escape that bubble and only see the world though social media clips online. 

Edited 4 hours ago by scourge165