Russian earthquake….interesting times

[uncle bernard]

31 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

‘Palestinians’ are vagabonds, mostly from Syria and Jordan, yet those countries kicked them out and won’t allow them to return. 

100% false.

[uncle bernard]

48 minutes ago, Undefeated said:

What’s wild is how your stance on this issue pretty much depends on where you were born. Born in Iran? You’re against Israel. Born in the U.S.? You’re all in for Israel. Like… can y’all stop being brainwashed by your damn media? They’re all killers - Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Khamenei - every single one of them a bunch of murderous bastards.

Not anymore, fortunately. Enormous sea change here over the past 5 years.

New Gallup poll just came out today showing only 32% of Americans support Israel's actions in Gaza.

Fortunately, this forum is not a good representative of the American public. It's a far-right echo chamber in here.

[uncle bernard]

59 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Do make up imagery stuff to justify a war 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

Yes Syria attacking Israel was a war crime, and you want to give them a do over.

Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. We teach this foundational moral principle to our toddlers. Why can't you wrap your head around it?

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

That's a good thing.   I heard there were folks in the top floors of beach hotels partying hard and celebrating the tsunami.   Did they ever consider the water could compromise the foundation of the building?  

I'm glad the wave was not as feared.  

mspart

I have friends there. They seemed more annoyed than anything because they had to evacuate and drive up into the interior of the island. I don't think people consider that honestly. 

[El Luchador]

33 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. We teach this foundational moral principle to our toddlers. Why can't you wrap your head around it?

Oh right your all for a do over. Like an elementary school  recess game of whatever doesn't go your way.  That was just a practice war we didn't really mean it.  Sorry reality dictates real world consequences for war crimes.  If Israel had the morality of their enemies their problems would have been solved years ago.

Edited Wednesday at 08:27 PM by El Luchador
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[El Luchador]

35 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

100% false.

Nope 100% true. 

[uncle bernard]

14 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Oh right your all for a do over. Like an elementary school  recess game of whatever doesn't go your way.  That was just a practice war we didn't really mean it.  Sorry reality dictates real world consequences for war crimes.  If Israel had the morality of their enemies their problems would have been solved years ago.

Yes, that's why we created the Geneva Conventions. And Israel is blatantly violating them. 

I am applying the law fairly to all participants. You want a special exemption for Israel because you don't think Arabs are human. 

[uncle bernard]

Zionism is not Judaism

 

 

[El Luchador]

40 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Yes, that's why we created the Geneva Conventions. And Israel is blatantly violating them. 

I am applying the law fairly to all participants. You want a special exemption for Israel because you don't think Arabs are human. 

Well I'm not readting the whole Geneva convention rules of war so why don't you push me is the right direction.  Where does is talk about being illegal to take land from someone who starts wars regularly to take yours? 

[ionel]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Yes, that's why we created the Geneva Conventions. And Israel is blatantly violating them. 

I am applying the law fairly to all participants. You want a special exemption for Israel because you don't think Arabs are human. 

 

1 hour ago, El Luchador said:

Well I'm not readting the whole Geneva convention rules of war so why don't you push me is the right direction.  Where does is talk about being illegal to take land from someone who starts wars regularly to take yours? 

...and who's land was it first?  Date it with the year, pretty sure pre dates Geneva Convention.  

[red viking]

Even many Israelis are now admitting that this is genocide. Our fringe wingers though continue to live in complete  delusion. 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

Even many Israelis are now admitting that this is genocide. Our fringe wingers though continue to live in complete  delusion. 

I almost forgot your on team Hamas.  

[El Luchador]

31 minutes ago, red viking said:

Even many Israelis are now admitting that this is genocide. Our fringe wingers though continue to live in complete  delusion. 

Even many Hamas members are admitting they want the totsl destruction of Israel. 

[El Luchador]

 

 

 

[Undefeated]

On 7/31/2025 at 12:42 AM, uncle bernard said:

Zionism is not Judaism

 

 

"For a century, the Zionist colonization of Palestine has proceeded primarily on the pragmatic principle of the quiet establishment of facts on the ground, which the world was to ultimately come to accept. It has been a highly successful policy. There is every reason to expect it to persist as long as the United States provides the necessary military, economic, diplomatic, and ideological support. For those concerned with the rights of the brutalized Palestinians, there can be no higher priority than working to change U.S. policies—not an idle dream by any means."

Noam Chomsky

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

On 7/30/2025 at 1:19 PM, red viking said:

It's amazing how Israel is held to a different standard than everybody else. If N. Korea did something like this it would be an atrocity. The hypocrisy of the right is never-ending. 

Hmmm... interesting. Let's go through this...

If South Korea had attacked North Korea by crossing the border at multiple locations, killing thousands of NK's in ambushes and taking a couple thousand or so NK's back to SK as hostages for protection/negotiation. I would certainly expect NK to retaliate. They rightly should.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who thinks NK wouldn't or shouldn't retaliate needs their head examined.

If NK retaliates with zeal - that should not be judged by outsiders. This is a personal conflict between countries with a deep past. In fighting fire with fire, things will very likely get out of hand one way or another. This was the gamble SK took to begin with - there was no guarantee they would be successful, or that a counter offensive wouldn't be swift and merciless.

Now here we sit. NK's counter was swift, merciless, and even more powerful than anyone expected.

SK still has the hostages they've kidnapped and continue to refuse to release them - even though the position they've chosen leaves them with the people of their country starving to death.

• Can the starvation be ended - yes, to at least some degree, by releasing the hostages.
• Can the conflict be ended - yes, to at least some degree, by releasing the hostages.
• But the conflict still continues? - yes, because SK refuses to release the hostages.
• If SK were to release all the hostages? - that would be a step toward the resolution and end of the conflict.

I'm unconvinced that if NK had done something like this, that it would be any different than it is right now.

The "atrocity" is far more about what was done on 10/7 and the currently unreleased hostages than the response to both these things.

The response was swift, powerful, merciless, and unending.

If I were a hostage, that is exactly what I would want. If I were a hostage's family member, it is exactly what I would demand. If I were either, I'd expect nothing less.

[red viking]

4 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

The "atrocity"is far more about what was done on 10/7 and the currently unreleased hostages than the response to both these things

They've already murdered orders of magnitude more gazan kids than the total number of Israelis killed, with many more starving to death every single day. Yes, hamas is bad and does bad things. That doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want though. 

[Caveira]

23 minutes ago, red viking said:

They've already murdered orders of magnitude more gazan kids than the total number of Israelis killed, with many more starving to death every single day. Yes, hamas is bad and does bad things. That doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want though. 

Just release the hostages.   That’s pretty easy to do. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Caveira

[Caveira]

34 minutes ago, red viking said:

They've already murdered orders of magnitude more gazan kids than the total number of Israelis killed, with many more starving to death every single day. Yes, hamas is bad and does bad things. That doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want though. 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8ku3fg6/
 

Transcript of you won’t click the link.   It’s an ap journalist discussing how Hamas censorship works in western journalism

 

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The AP, as far as I know,

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I was the first staffer to erase information from a story

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because we were threatened by Hamas,

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which happened at the very end of,

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of 2008. We had a great reporter in Gaza,

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a Palestinian who had always been, um,

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really an excellent reporter.

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We had a detail in a story.

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The detail was a crucial one.

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It was that Hamas fighters were dressed as civilians

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and were being counted as civilians in the death toll,

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an important thing to know that went out in an AP story.

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The reporter called me a few hours later.

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It was clear that someone had spoken to him.

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And he told me, I was on the desk in Jerusalem,

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so I was kind of writing the story from the main bureau in Jerusalem.

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And he said, Mattie,

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you have to take that detail out of the story.

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And it was clear that someone had threatened him.

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I took the detail out of the story.

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I suggested to, to our editors that we note in an editor's note

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that we were now complying with Hamas censorship.

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I was overruled. And from that point in time,

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the AP, like all of its sister organizations,

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collaborates with Hamas censorship in Gaza.

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What does that mean?

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You'll see a lot of dead civilians and you won't see dead militants.

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You won't have a clear idea of what the Hamas military strategy is. And,

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and this is the kicker. The center Of the coverage will be a number,

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a casualty number that is provided to the press

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by something called the Gaza Health Ministry,

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which is Hamas. And we've been doing that since 2,008.

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And it's a way of basically

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settling the story before you get into any other information.

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Because when you put, you know,

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when you say 50,000, 50,

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50 Palestinians were killed and one Israeli on a given day,

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you know, it doesn't matter what else you say.

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The numbers kind of tell their own story.

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And it's a way of kind of

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settling the story

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with something that sounds like a concrete statistic.

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And the statistic is being,

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you know, given to us by one of the combatant sides.

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But because the reporters sympathize with that side,

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they're happy to, they're happy to play along.

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So since 2008, certainly since 2014,

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when we had another serious war in Gaza,

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the press has not been covering in Gaza.

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The press has been essentially

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an amplifier for one of the most poisonous ideologies on earth.

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Hamas has figured out how to make the press amplify its messaging

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rather than covering Hamas.

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There are no western reporters in Gaza.

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All of the reporters in Gaza are Palestinians.

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And those people fall into three categories.

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Some of them identify with Hamas.

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Some of them are intimidated by Hamas and won't cross Hamas,

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which makes a lot of sense.

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I wouldn't want to cross Hamas either.

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And the third category is people.

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Who actually belong to Hamas.

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That's where the information from Gaza is coming from.

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And if you're credulous, then of course,

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you're gonna get a story that makes Israel look pretty bad.

[red viking]

38 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Just release the hostages.   That’s pretty easy to do. 

Hamas isn't the same thing as the general Gazan population. You aren't punishing hamas by starving gazan kids to death. Dumbest strategy ever, and most inhumane at same time. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

Hamas isn't the same thing as the general Gazan population. You aren't punishing hamas by starving gazan kids to death. Dumbest strategy ever, and most inhumane at same time. 

Call their bluff and release the hostages.  

[Caveira]

Vid of Hamas stealing UN aid.   Overlaid with an article from the nyt saying no proof Hamas steals  UN aid

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8kHfLJX/

[red viking]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

Call their bluff and release the hostages.  

They don't care. Meanwhile, kids starving to death, courtesy of us and Israel. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

They don't care. Meanwhile, kids starving to death, courtesy of us and Israel. 

Just release the hostages.  Then you can whine why didn’t Israel stop if they don’t. 
 

those savage monsters (that you support) probably ground them up already.  That’s likely why they aren’t releasing them. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Caveira