When will the wrestling community admit there's a problem?

[Husker_Du]

in all of those cases they were dealt with and the coach was removed. 

i mean, it's not a good thing that they even happened, but i'm not sure what you're looking for. they were dealt with, and it doesn't seem like there's a plague of these instances. the alleged Starocci situation isn't even in the same bucket. (coach/athlete)

[Hammerlock3]

22 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Which one? I think most of this is pretty common knowledge. Perry was shacking up with one of the wrestlers he was coaching, while being married and that relationship poisoned a whole program and made things very difficult, and caused pretty much everyone to leave and cratered an RTC program. 

I can only guess at what Moorman did to get himself removed even if he did resign to coach club wrestling in Texas. 

The situation at Southern Oregon is pretty open, considering the victim went public and called out her abuser who quit before she could be fired and left the team on their own. 

This is just scratching the surface. 

i'm not trying to be antagonistic but you're still not defining the issue. Whatever the hell starocci was doing in the training room, is a different issue than what he was doing in practice, is a different issue than whatever mark perry was doing... unless you're saying the complications that develop as a result of us being a gendered sexual species is somehow one issue....in which case there is no solution. 

[scribers]

What is safe sport ? And how do they operate exactly without interfering with jurisdiction investigations and evidence? 

[1032004]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:22 PM, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

So do you know anything about the Moorman situation?

And with the Park Merry situation, was that even anything that was potentially criminal?  Obviously not a good look and I get other athletes getting upset about it, but my understanding was that was a relationship between consenting adults.  Very different from the Starocci allegations IMO

Edited Monday at 12:38 PM by 1032004

[Rassling2]

It’s foolish to believe this kind of behavior is more common among wrestlers. During the 2024 Olympics I read some 300,000 condoms were provided. Wrestling is no different than any other sport.

[Sublime607]

On a world scale wrestling seems to have low recreational and performance enhancing drug scandals in the United States. I think we as Americans just stay ahead of what can be tested for better than other countries until a substance becomes banned its technically not illegal it guess

[Tripnsweep]

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

So do you know anything about the Moorman situation?

And with the Park Merry situation, was that even anything that was potentially criminal?  Obviously not a good look and I get other athletes getting upset about it, but my understanding was that was a relationship between consenting adults.  Very different from the Starocci allegations IMO

I've heard things but it doesn't sound like the Moorman thing will get out because it's mutually assured destruction. King doesn't want to sully their reputation and if they did they'd have to throw him under the bus. Unless Caitlyn hadn't spoken up, it's doubtful many people would have known what happened at Southern Oregon, so a highly successful coach like Moorman leaving suddenly with no warning to end up coaching at a club team definitely isn't a good look since that is exactly what happened at Southern Oregon. 

As far as what Perry did/is still doing, even though the other person was of age, or multiple people, that is still a violation the same way the situation at Southern Oregon was. Add in that it caused numerous problems because it was a badly kept secret, and made the environment so toxic nobody wanted to be there anymore. It should be pretty telling that he's trying to become a real estate agent now and nobody anywhere wants him as a coach. 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

I've heard things but it doesn't sound like the Moorman thing will get out because it's mutually assured destruction. King doesn't want to sully their reputation and if they did they'd have to throw him under the bus. Unless Caitlyn hadn't spoken up, it's doubtful many people would have known what happened at Southern Oregon, so a highly successful coach like Moorman leaving suddenly with no warning to end up coaching at a club team definitely isn't a good look since that is exactly what happened at Southern Oregon. 

As far as what Perry did/is still doing, even though the other person was of age, or multiple people, that is still a violation the same way the situation at Southern Oregon was. Add in that it caused numerous problems because it was a badly kept secret, and made the environment so toxic nobody wanted to be there anymore. It should be pretty telling that he's trying to become a real estate agent now and nobody anywhere wants him as a coach. 

I read the Facebook post from the Southern Oregon wrestler, that did not sound consensual.  My understanding is Perry’s relarionship(s) was never accused of not being consensual (similar to the allegations about Starocci).  That’s a pretty significant distinction IMO.

Edited Monday at 06:52 PM by 1032004

[scribers]

Power dynamics always trump claims of consensual. The SOU situation will also be painted as consensual by the accused (assuming they accept the relationship at all). It’ll be the only credible claim considering evidence like texts etc.